(October 24, 2017 at 9:54 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:MysticKnight Wrote:Proof is by which something is proven. It can be a series of reminders that link to one another to form an argument, or in reality, it can be a direct vision to God as is the witness and guide of time who is the means to God by which the personality of God is witnessed as well as the Mathematical principle of his absolute endless oneness. Scientific theory and model comes close to proof but is not actually a proof. My arguments all prove God decisively.
A sound proof compels acceptance. The proof is in the pudding: does it convince people not inclined at first to believe it? That you even consider that you are in a position to evaluate your own arguments and declare them sound in the face of widespread lack of acceptance misses the point of what makes a proof good. You finding it convincing doesn't make it good. Us finding it convincing would demonstrate that it's a good argument, because we can be counted on to evaluate it critically. And you know that on some level, it's why theists keep trying to convince us, they know if they can, then they're really on to something.
A vision of God can only be proof to the person having the vision, and only if they reject all the possible natural explanations for their experience. It may be the nature of such experiences that they convince the individual who has them. But to anyone besides the experiencer, the experience is a claim, and you have know way of knowing whether it was truly an omnipotent creator of the universe that contacted you, an alien or supernatural trickster, an hallucination, or something better described as 'unexplained'. Just like a leap of faith can let you believe anything, a revelation can reveal anything. It would be something if all religious experiences led to the same religion, but they reliably lead to the one the experiencer is practicing or has been locally exposed to. 'Direct witness to God' isn't evidence, it's just another claim.
Most humans don't accept evidence or clear proofs. Quran argues that, but I witness this 1st hand with Sunni-Shia issue. Despite clear proofs existing both in Quran and ahadith of Sunnis regarding the family of Mohammad and their authority, the majority of Muslims don't accept these proofs.
I witness firsthand people go into denial to what Quran proves but give lip service to Quran their whole lives and deceive themselves.
