RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
October 27, 2018 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2018 at 2:47 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(October 27, 2018 at 11:05 am)Whateverist Wrote:(October 27, 2018 at 7:44 am)Huggy74 Wrote: That being said I noticed you didn't ask me to elaborate on my "yes" answer to your question of "can digestion exist apart from the digestive tract".
I'm impressed that you didn't take the bait, someone like Judy would have swallowed that hook line and sinker.
Well, I consider my question as a knock out argument against consciousness being separable from bodies, provided you accept the parallel to digestion. I have no idea how/why you would answer yes but I didn't expect to find anything interesting by asking.
I'll explain any way, the process of digestion is the breakdown of food achieved through the use of enzymes. This can be achieved other means without the use of a digestive tract, for instance some animals use venom to predigest their prey.
Also one is technically digested by the earth through decomposition.
(October 27, 2018 at 1:48 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(October 27, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Not if they purposefully induced brain death in order to operate on the brain.
I'm no specialist, but all the brain surgeries I've ever heard of required the patient to be awake, so the surgeons have immediate feedback if something goes wrong.
Can you link me that procedure you speak of, please?
I previously I linked the case of Pam Reynolds where they drained the blood out of her brain in order to operate on an aneurysm, rendering her clinically dead.
(October 27, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(October 27, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Not if they purposefully induced brain death in order to operate on said brain.
Quote:Death is an irreversible, biologic event that consists of permanent cessation of the critical functions of the organism as a whole [1]. This concept allows for survival of tissues in isolation, but it requires the loss of integrated function of various organ systems. Death of the brain therefore qualifies as death, as the brain is essential for integrating critical functions of the body. The equivalence of brain death with death is largely, although not universally, accepted [2].
Brain death implies the permanent absence of cerebral and brainstem functions.
Diagnosis of brain death (G Bryan Young, MD, FRCPC; Professor of Neurology, University of Western Ontario, Canada) [emphasis mine]
Quote:Brain death is defined as an “Irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem”.
Open Anesthesia || Brain Death: Definition
Google Wrote:brain death
/ˈbrān ˌdeTH/
noun
noun: brain death
irreversible brain damage causing the end of independent respiration, regarded as indicative of death.
Merriam-Webster Wrote:brain death noun
Definition of brain death
: final cessation of activity in the central nervous system especially as indicated by a flat electroencephalogram for a predetermined length of time
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21494112
I like how you're always trying to argue technicalities, I didn't state brain death initially, that was Poca.
(October 27, 2018 at 8:39 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 27, 2018 at 7:44 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Because we have instances of people being operated on with absolutely zero brain functionality, recounting events and conversations that took place during the operation.
Somehow, I doubt any surgeon would operate on a brain dead patient.
Waste of hospital resources...