[split] IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?-NDE Discussion

[Angrboda]

The account you repeat conflates a number of things, in particular the conversation about the veins in her leg, her defibrillation, and the music in the operating theater.  These things occurred at very different times, and none occurred when she was flatlined.  The first occurred prior to her blood being drained, long before she was flatlined, and the others occurred as she was being revived, long after being flatlined.

So, as noted, you are wrong.

There's one Major problem...

Your source is not in the least bit objective, infidels.org? really? If I posted info from a theist site would you'd reject it out of hand so why shoudn't I do the same?

Oh?  Well then perhaps you'd be more impressed with the testimony of renowned parapsychologist Charles Tart, who in an essay critical of Augustine's paper wrote that  Dr. Sabom  had reported  that  the veridical  parts of Reynolds's  NDE  occurred  before  cardiac  "standstill," and that in recounting the timing of Reynolds' NDE that Mr. Augustine had a valid point about said timing (Tart, 2007).  Or perhaps the words of Dr. Sabom himself, who wrote that he had read and agreed with Charles Tart's comments (Sabom, 2007), and that he acknowledged that Reynolds was placed on cardio-pulmonary bypass a full 20 minutes prior to her EEG reading flatlined, an event which could only have occurred following the conversation about the size of her veins (Sabom, 2007).

You were wrong.  Augustine has the facts right according to the very doctor who first reported her case.  She wasn't flatlined when she overheard the conversation about her veins, nor when the doctor cut into her skull with the bone saw.  It doesn't matter what the biases of the publication may be, given that he is right on the pertinent facts of the matter as attested to by both Dr. Sabom and Charles Tart, and, likely the head surgeon's report as well.

(ETA: And no, if you posted information from a theist site I wouldn't reject it out of hand. So, on that point you are wrong as well.)

Also a quote taken from your site states:

As Michael Sabom recounts in Light and Death, in August 1991 a then 35-year-old woman he called "Pam Reynolds" (a pseudonym) underwent an innovative procedure to remove a brain aneurysm.

Your source is stating that 'Pam Reynolds' is a fake name, which is demonstrably false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Reynolds_case

Pam Reynolds Lowery (1956 – May 22, 2010), from Atlanta, Georgia, was an American singer-songwriter.

I mean, if they get that piece of basic information wrong, I'm supposed to trust the got everything else right?

Pam Reynolds was a pseudonym for Pamela Reynolds Lowery which was her name at the time of Dr. Sabom's writing about her case, having married Butch Lowery in 1995.  This fact is attested to by multiple authors (Charles Tart, 2012; Michael Schmicker, 2002; Michael C. Gibbs, 2003; Gerald Woerlee, cited 2017; and Michael Sudduth, 2016).  The only person who has any basic facts wrong here is you, Huggy, not Mr. Augustine.

Come on Jor, it seems like you're desperately grasping at straws.