[split] IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?-NDE Discussion

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I guess Jormungandr has no response...

Why you guys continue to act like I don't post receipts is beyond me.

I haven't posted a response because I find responding to fucking morons like you a very low priority. But thanks for jumping to the wrong conclusion once again.

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I crossed out the parts that weren't ad hominems to show the amount of ad hominem you were engaging in.  It had nothing whatever to do with the facts you had presented.  I'm going to conclude that you must have been having a debate with a doppelganger, one that likely existed solely in your mind, as I never defended the opinions expressed in The Bell Curve.  And I pointed out to you the explicit reason for my post when asked immediately after posting it.  The notion that I crossed out those portions of your post because I disagreed with them is something you're pulling out of thin air.  And given that I immediately clarified my intent gives you no excuse for portraying it otherwise, other than an unjustified hostility toward me for having the audacity to have an opinion which wasn't yours.

Two points you crossed out

Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research

Herrnstein and Murray were criticized for not submitting their work to peer review before publication

Please explain how those points are "ad hominem"...

I said that I had crossed out the points that were NOT ad hominems. Jesus bloody motherfucking mother of Christ, are you seriously this reading comprehension challenged?

You want to believe I'm a racist, so you just make up shit, ignoring any contrary evidence or statements.

First of all you never posted ANY contrary evidence, or maybe your doppelganger posted some that I missed somehow, please provide a link.

Evidence or statements contrary to your belief that I'm a racist. You really don't comprehend the shit you read, do you?



I had recently stated that I didn't think you were a vegetable. In light of recent events, I'm retracting that assertion. You show many signs of being a vegetable.

Secondly, I don't know what else you'd call someone that defends racist propoganda...

Since I never defended racist propaganda, this is just more of your attempts to smear me with lies and falsehoods.

That there is plenty of shooting the messenger, aka ad hominem, in your reply.  Of what relevance is the nature of the Pioneer Fund to the question of whether their conclusions are justified or not?

“task is not to make an objective study of the truth, in so far as it favors the enemy, and then set it before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own right, always and unflinchingly.” - Adolf Hitler

[blah, blah, blah, blah....]

I thought you were pretty smart Jor, yet you can't figure you why the ideology of the organization behind the funding of the 'Bell Curve' is relevant? You would never say that the ideology of the Nazis aren't relevant to their conclusions of the genetics of Jews, yet the Founder of the Pioneer fund and Hitler had the same goal...

[More blah, blah, blah, blah....]

I didn't say it wasn't relevant, I said that it was an ad hominem, and additionally pointed out that if you were attempting to refute the hypothesis that blacks possess inherently lower IQ's than whites, then ad hominem or no, you were simply shooting the messenger instead of killing the message. On the particular point of whether their racism is relevant, if you're trying to show that the conclusions of the Bell Curve are wrong, then, no, it isn't relevant. It might be relevant if your only intent was simply to show that Murray et al had a motive for presenting bad science, but that does not appear to be what you were trying to prove. Moreover, having a motive for doing something, by itself, isn't evidence that you indeed did do that thing. You're as bad as Drich, believing that you can just ignore fallacies and flawed logic in your arguments if you can somehow talk around it. I will also point out that you never did show that Murray et al's overall hypothesis of inferiority of black IQs was wrong, and pointedly refused to do so, thus acquitting my original complaint and showing that you were unable or unwilling to show that their general thesis was wrong.

Now I'm bored with your nonsense, your lies, and your simple inability to even understand plain English. If you choose to respond, know that I am going to place a very low priority on your bullshit, so don't get all excited if I don't respond for a day or two. If I decide to write you off completely, I will likely tell you so. Beyond that I'll simply point out that concluding that I don't have a response because I haven't responded is yet another non sequitur, and simply more proof that you don't logic so well. Drich tries to pull the same shit all the time. I guess it's a Christian thing.

I'll also parenthetically add that you made me miss the start of the Bears / Lions game. Something eminently more important than you and your fucking bullshit.