Musings about omnipotence and perfection.

[Welsh cake]

But simply imagine that the universe is conscious of itself. Everything within it is still the same, so it isn't supernatural or miraculous for it to be omnipotent over itself. You could call this being 'God'...but of course...that might make a lot of sense, huh?

Regardless. Logic within this conscious universe would be omnipotent, in fact it would have to be. It would apply to all things within the universe itself.

So one may reason that black holes are evidence that the universe has terminal cancer? What point are you trying to make Watson? Your current nonsensical statement is on par with someone asserting 'poetry within this self-aware universe would be omnipresent'. This is meaningless talk.

Please first demonstrate the cosmos is in fact sentient before we talk about its omnipotence.

I wish to just clarify on DvF's excellent point. Omnipotence is about power, not logical possibility. To say that God is omnipotent is only to say that God has the power to do anything that power can do. (Far too many people leave off the clause that I emphasized there.)

No, and I don't care that you're emphasising it to prevent a reponse either, to say that one of God's characteristics is omnipotence (in Latin: Omni Potens) is to say he has unlimited power, the ability to perform and accomplish tasks without restriction instantaneously and infinitely over. You are disregarding the point DvF was trying to make. Logic reveals omnipotence is self-contradicting because it cannot do the logically impossible like make a square circle. It would be more sensible for theists to acknowledge the disconfirmer, abandon the usage of words that involve "absolutes", and accept their god concept is merely 'very powerful' or 'most powerful' but not 'all-powerful' instead, but alas they need to simulate a "perfect god" so all sensibility gets thrown out the window.

It should also be noted that omnipotence has nothing to do with impressiveness, which is a psychological point irrelevant to either God or power. Knocking over a coffee cup is a matter of having sufficient power to do so (thus an omnipotent God could do so), but whether someone finds that impressive or not is irrelevant.

An unnecessary omission, of course a powerful deity can still opt to do nothing and stand idly by. We're not talking about what God doesn't want to do i.e. be put to the test; we're addressing what he can and cannot do.