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Musings about omnipotence and perfection.
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RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection.
(February 8, 2011 at 10:34 pm)theVOID Wrote: That to me is either the exact same thing or I've missed something.

With all due respect to you (and I do), it should be self-evident that they do not say the same thing. To say "God cannot actualize X" says something about God and nothing about X; it could be that X is capable of being actualized but God is limited by some inability. But that is at once both obfuscating and necessarily false, where X is a self-contradicting state of affairs, because it carries the implication that the law of non-contradiction is only contingently true, that self-contradictions are only impossible extrinsically, that there is no such thing as logically impossible, tossing logic out the window as meaningless. It implies that self-contradicting states of affairs are not necessarily (intrinsically) impossible; they are just contingently (extrinsically) impossible but actualizable given the right circumstances.

Thus it is more correct to say "X is incapable of actualization," which says something about X and nothing about God; it makes the crucial and substantive point that self-contradictions are impossible intrinsically, that there is such a thing as logically impossible, that the law of non-contradiction is necessarily true, affirming logic as meaningful. It implies that self-contradicting states of affairs are necessarily (intrinsically) impossible, never actualizable by definition regardless of circumstances.

If statement A says something about God and nothing about X, and statement B says something about X and nothing about God, then statement A and B do not say the exact same thing—especially when statement A implicitly denies the fundamental laws of logic and statement B explicitly upholds them.

theVOID Wrote:I see no problem in saying, "I cannot produce that which is logically impossible."

The problem lies in the implication that you COULD if given the right circumstances.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2011 at 6:22 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ashendant - January 18, 2011 at 6:30 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Darwinian - January 18, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Watson - January 21, 2011 at 11:00 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by theVOID - February 8, 2011 at 9:19 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Watson - January 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Watson - January 23, 2011 at 4:09 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by FadingW - January 22, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ryft - January 29, 2011 at 10:43 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ryft - January 30, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Minimalist - January 30, 2011 at 11:42 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by annatar - January 30, 2011 at 1:04 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by annatar - February 1, 2011 at 7:27 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Rwandrall - February 4, 2011 at 8:18 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ryft - February 5, 2011 at 11:30 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Rayaan - February 7, 2011 at 3:36 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ryft - February 8, 2011 at 3:00 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by theVOID - February 8, 2011 at 10:34 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ryft - February 9, 2011 at 1:09 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by theVOID - February 9, 2011 at 4:12 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Ryft - February 10, 2011 at 4:19 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by theVOID - February 15, 2011 at 8:08 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Godschild - February 14, 2011 at 11:45 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Speakeasy - February 15, 2011 at 12:29 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Speakeasy - February 15, 2011 at 4:22 am
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Rayaan - February 15, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by Watson - February 15, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Musings about omnipotence and perfection. - by theVOID - February 16, 2011 at 5:48 pm

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