Early Islam and healthcare

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It's hard to commit atrocities against an invading army. I mean 99% or so were Christian Jihadists attacking Muslim cities full of civilians.

But what do you think the real reason was, aside from the literal words of the issuer of the war; the Pope?

Religious fanaticism on the part of the Westerners.  Urban's well-known cynicism and mendacity aside, the Crusades were ruinously expensive for the Christian kingdoms who promulgated them.  The motive (at least on the part of the leaders in the West) wasn't economic, it was religious.

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But the words of Urban were clear in the speech: he told the hungry Europeans who were suffering the aftermath of the ice age about Arabian fortunes in return of fighting his war.

It wasn't even the only time hordes of Europeans come from the west looking for the warmth of the Middle Eastern climate and riches of other nations. The world suffered from invasions coming from the west until America was conquered, also in the name of the cross.

Christianity was a mere cause used to justify the lust for the riches of others. When crusaders were desperate from conquering Muslim land, they moved their cannons to America; where weaker cultures existed.

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So; Crusaders came to destroy and loot, they were a barbarian horde disguised in metal armors, they came to Muslim lands to kill and rape.

No, they didnt. They came to claim back the holy land for christianity, and thats exactly what they did.* Of course they were well motivated up to the extreme(ism) by propaganda about the muslim world. As a result the crusaders were ruthless in the way they conducted themselves. This however wasnt unique to them, but common to ANY movement as well motivated (ad misled) as the crusaders were.

Lets also not forget that the great success (at first, not in later stages) was partially due to the muslim world being divided and making pacts with christians vs other muslims. The muslim world of the crusades was, by and large, not much morally better than the crusaders. You really need to stop subscribing to this Crusaders= devils vs muslims = Ghandi program. Its ridiculous. If anything there were single persons on both sides who realized that, once parts of the levant were occupied, a live and let live would be of much more benefit, to both sides. You can clearly see this happening in those (rulers) who were born there and who were always in infights with the new arrivals from europe who were much more confrontational. Just have a look at the alliance of Jerusalem with Damascus, which would possibly would have lasted longer, if the leaders of the second crusade would not have pushed an agressive agenda.


*ok, the Normans predominantly looking for loot and personal gains

? European knights were so savage and uncivilized even in their own continent; they leveled up their savagery when they went abroad because Arabian gold blinded their eyes.
You didn't hear about the War of the Roses for example?
Let's not forget the torture machines they built to force people into Christianity.
They were extreme long before Urban's speech. He only used Arabian riches to attract warriors -just like you would attract an animal to a pile of meat-.

Crusaders were devils; just like any imperialist savage ready to kill thousands for gold and fame. They even shook hands with the Mongols:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Mongol_alliance

Several attempts at a Franco-Mongol alliance against the Islamic caliphates, their common enemy, were made by various leaders among the Frankish Crusaders and the Mongol Empire in the 13th century

Only devils who sold their humanity would shake hands with the disgusting Mongol empire.

which is an oversimplification and painting the crusades with a broad brush, trying to paint them in a worse light than contemporary muslims, who were no different in plotting against their own kind with the religious enemy or waging war within (the muslim community). In other words: [u]Yes, its prejudice against crsaders on your part.

No. Crusaders -with historic evidence- were poor man eating savages with a grudge against richer civilizations,

Which is untrue, blatantly so.

The crusades finally failed, resulting in backlash from the muslim world, ending up at the gates of Vienna
The Mongols were stopped (by Mamluks) before they could reach Cairo, and later the Ilkhanate even adopted muslim religion. Hardly a defeat for Islam.
By the time the crusaders arrived, the muslim world was already divided long ago*. Same for the Mogols. If the Muslim world would have been such amazing people they wouldnt have been so weak from the inside that the mongols or crusaders could hurt them.
What did the muslim world do while the Mongols destroyed the Choresmian empire? What did Damascus do when the crusaders faced off Nur ad Din?

*Ummayads vs Abbasids. Taifas in Al Andalus, infights with Almohads, Almohavids, etc.. They didnt need Crusaders and Mongols to kill and persecute each other.

Tu quoque fallacy . Having internal strife an civil wars does not give anybody the right to invade others.

Bullshit. The crusades are gone 800y now, and there isnt much that connects a modern european to the crusades. Bull-shit. Drop your "i am special and persecuted" complex, for the upteenth time.

Europe -and America- are holding me by the balls. Thankfully the illumination period made them secular or else I'll be dead by now.

More bullshit.

Not my (modern, secular, illminated, european) fault that you and your culture is stuck in the late medieval, refusing to realize that separation of religion and state is necessary for evolution of your society to the better. Islam (-ic culture) had made steps in the righ tdirection in the past, that is correct, but then took the wron way. Stop blaming ayone but yourself (religion/culture) for your own mistakes. Its pathetic.

Isn't Sykes-Picot a European treaty?
Isn't Israel a European-made land?
Who supported Saudi Arabia long ago and who protected it today and who gave it a seat in the UN ?
Who is supporting every Arab dictator today?
Who is flooding the Middle East with weapons?