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[Serious] Giordano Bruno
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RE: Giordano Bruno
(February 18, 2020 at 8:17 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(February 18, 2020 at 7:46 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don't think it's a lie so much as an error (not all untrue statements qualify as lies).  It isn't as if there's some vast, nefarious conspiracy to paint Bruno as something other than what he was. People are simply lazy in general, and regarding historical accuracy in particular.  It's never a bad idea to set the record straight (tip o' the hat to you for doing it), but this is really a tempest in a tea pot, like George Washington's wooden teeth or Dick Whittington's cat.

Bruno may not have been a martyr to science, but he was certainly a martyr to freethought.

Boru

Quote:he was certainly a martyr to freethought.

Was he? 

If he had stayed in any part of Europe other than Italy, he'd have been fine. He was under no threat at Oxford, for example, though they were annoyed with him for plagiarizing people. 

If he'd expressed all his ideas in such a way that didn't call for the overthrow of the existing church, he'd have been fine. 

If he'd expressed ideas about a non-geocentric infinite universe with people on other planets without calling for the overthrow of the church, he'd have been fine. Nicholas of Cusa did all of these things a century before Bruno, and was made a Cardinal. 

Free thought is a lot more likely to be tolerated if you don't go to the center of power and poke your thumb in their eye. Was it the thought that got him in trouble, or was it the deliberate challenge to power?

Again, in my personal opinion burning is not appropriate for expressing a desire to overthrow the institutions of power. But autres temps, autres moeurs.

So, you're excusing the Church for burning Bruno.  Got it.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever seen an animal burned alive?

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 7:13 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 18, 2020 at 7:32 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 7:34 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 7:46 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 8:17 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 9:25 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 5:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 6:36 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 19, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 19, 2020 at 4:17 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Fireball - February 19, 2020 at 8:49 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 12:52 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 7:27 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 7:54 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Fake Messiah - February 20, 2020 at 8:30 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 2:09 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 4:02 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 4:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Fake Messiah - February 20, 2020 at 4:35 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 4:39 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 5:51 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 21, 2020 at 10:24 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 21, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 11:58 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 4:49 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 6:46 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 7:50 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 8:17 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 10:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 21, 2020 at 12:10 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 8:38 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 20, 2020 at 9:37 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 11:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 20, 2020 at 11:39 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 11:48 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 12:16 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 21, 2020 at 12:19 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 12:28 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 20, 2020 at 10:47 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 8:37 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 9:30 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 1:59 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 5:21 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 6:38 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 18, 2020 at 11:01 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 18, 2020 at 1:55 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 5:43 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 6:06 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 6:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 6:50 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 6:56 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 7:04 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 7:09 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 7:17 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 7:22 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 7:28 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by chimp3 - February 18, 2020 at 8:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 19, 2020 at 12:47 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 19, 2020 at 3:24 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 8:35 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Grand Nudger - February 20, 2020 at 1:13 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Deesse23 - February 20, 2020 at 7:39 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 8:44 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 11:49 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 5:09 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 9:17 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 6:37 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 7:20 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 7:25 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 7:59 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 8:12 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 8:35 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 10:26 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 10:41 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 9:19 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 7:31 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 7:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 7:37 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 8:09 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 8:58 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 10:46 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 11:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 22, 2020 at 12:25 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 22, 2020 at 8:45 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 22, 2020 at 7:27 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 22, 2020 at 8:35 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 22, 2020 at 8:56 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 22, 2020 at 11:19 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Abaddon_ire - February 23, 2020 at 12:24 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 22, 2020 at 7:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 22, 2020 at 9:12 pm



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