The Struggle to do Good

[Mr.wizard]

Your god existing doesn't solve the problem your raising, because all you've done is say that right and wrong would be a matter of god's opinion instead of our opinion and that doesn't change the fact that it's just an opinion.

It wouldn't be merely an opinion if it is grounded in God's existence because God is by definition a necessary being. In philosophy, a necessary being is one that cannot fail to exist. In other words, if God were intrinsically different in any possible world, then He wouldn't be a necessary being. This means God's moral values are the same in every possible world.

To use an analogy, 2 + 2 = 4 is true in all possible worlds, including the actual world. That's why 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true. Its truth isn't contingent upon anything external.

The same is true for God and His properties.

But if God doesn't exist, then there's no such kind of foundation for moral values. What's odd is The Grand Nudger seems to think there is such a foundation, despite not believing in the existence of God.

Doesn't matter if god is a necessary being, if he is the foundation of morality than morality is whatever god says it is, which makes it subjective. Your 2+2=4 example actually doesn't make your case because morality as you defined it is contingent on god. 2+2=4 whether or not god exists, murder is only wrong if god exists, those two are not analogous.