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Poll: Does the mind produce thoughts or do thoughts produce the mind?
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Thoughts produce mind
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Mindfulness or Mindlessness?
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness?
(September 8, 2021 at 11:44 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: It's a thought experiment. We're simply being asked to conceive of a person who does not have a conscious experience. It's not entirely implausible. Much of our social interaction (facial expressions, etc.) happen largely on an unconscious level. We may "make a face on purpose" or "be aware of the face we're making" but much of the time we are not.

The brain is a huge information feedback system. Most of it operates below conscious awareness. All we're being asked to conceive of (for sake of the thought experiment) is that the rest of the Freudian iceberg is also submerged.

To an extant. The P-Zombie requires that consciousness be epiphenomenal. If it's not, then P-Zombies can't exist in a way comparable to the way we exist.
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Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 21, 2021 at 1:12 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Ahriman - August 21, 2021 at 2:17 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 22, 2021 at 2:04 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 25, 2021 at 4:10 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 8:49 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 21, 2021 at 7:48 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 27, 2021 at 12:53 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 27, 2021 at 1:33 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 27, 2021 at 2:22 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 29, 2021 at 7:03 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jackalope - August 21, 2021 at 8:20 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 21, 2021 at 9:50 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - August 23, 2021 at 11:57 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 8:03 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Nay_Sayer - August 23, 2021 at 12:05 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Spongebob - August 23, 2021 at 3:37 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 8:10 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by brewer - August 26, 2021 at 8:28 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by AFTT47 - August 31, 2021 at 12:56 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - August 31, 2021 at 1:25 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 31, 2021 at 1:58 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - August 31, 2021 at 9:27 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 31, 2021 at 6:40 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - August 31, 2021 at 8:01 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 1, 2021 at 9:20 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 1, 2021 at 10:59 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 1, 2021 at 11:11 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 1, 2021 at 11:51 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 1, 2021 at 11:59 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 1, 2021 at 1:10 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 1, 2021 at 2:55 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 1, 2021 at 4:15 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 1, 2021 at 4:49 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 1, 2021 at 5:03 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 1, 2021 at 5:34 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 1, 2021 at 5:53 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - September 2, 2021 at 5:16 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 31, 2021 at 2:57 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - August 23, 2021 at 3:53 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by brewer - August 23, 2021 at 4:11 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Secular Elf - August 23, 2021 at 4:15 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by brewer - August 23, 2021 at 6:37 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - August 23, 2021 at 5:21 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Foxaèr - August 26, 2021 at 8:08 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by brewer - August 26, 2021 at 9:12 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 5:13 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 26, 2021 at 5:42 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 6:16 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 27, 2021 at 6:29 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 26, 2021 at 8:08 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - August 26, 2021 at 8:25 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 8:37 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Ahriman - August 26, 2021 at 8:25 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 8:44 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 26, 2021 at 8:27 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Ahriman - August 26, 2021 at 8:30 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - August 26, 2021 at 8:31 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Ahriman - August 26, 2021 at 8:36 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - August 26, 2021 at 8:39 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Ahriman - August 26, 2021 at 8:40 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by LostLocke - August 26, 2021 at 9:05 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 26, 2021 at 9:36 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by brewer - August 26, 2021 at 9:46 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - August 26, 2021 at 11:23 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 26, 2021 at 8:37 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Foxaèr - August 27, 2021 at 6:40 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - August 27, 2021 at 10:29 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 28, 2021 at 12:44 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 28, 2021 at 2:27 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 28, 2021 at 3:50 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 29, 2021 at 8:26 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 29, 2021 at 9:33 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - August 29, 2021 at 9:22 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 29, 2021 at 9:38 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - August 30, 2021 at 6:14 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - August 30, 2021 at 10:21 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Foxaèr - August 31, 2021 at 9:33 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Fireball - August 31, 2021 at 10:06 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Foxaèr - August 31, 2021 at 10:24 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 5:49 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 2, 2021 at 9:16 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - September 3, 2021 at 4:34 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 9:32 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 2, 2021 at 10:36 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 2, 2021 at 11:20 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 2, 2021 at 11:56 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 2, 2021 at 2:05 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 2, 2021 at 2:08 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 2, 2021 at 2:28 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 2, 2021 at 7:28 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 3, 2021 at 12:25 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 5, 2021 at 3:03 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 5, 2021 at 6:12 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 12:05 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 2, 2021 at 1:25 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 1:57 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 2:19 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 2, 2021 at 3:01 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 2:31 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2021 at 4:02 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2021 at 1:00 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 3, 2021 at 1:50 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2021 at 2:09 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 3, 2021 at 2:55 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2021 at 3:44 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 3, 2021 at 5:01 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2021 at 7:58 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 4, 2021 at 10:20 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - September 4, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - September 5, 2021 at 12:12 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Jehanne - September 5, 2021 at 9:20 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by DLJ - September 6, 2021 at 8:29 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2021 at 10:44 am
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by emjay - September 5, 2021 at 11:32 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 6, 2021 at 10:53 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by emjay - September 7, 2021 at 4:34 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2021 at 9:30 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2021 at 12:22 pm
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2021 at 1:20 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by emjay - September 5, 2021 at 1:30 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2021 at 6:37 am
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Foxaèr - September 7, 2021 at 10:34 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2021 at 11:01 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by LadyForCamus - September 8, 2021 at 9:10 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 8, 2021 at 11:44 pm
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 10, 2021 at 3:02 pm
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by vulcanlogician - September 9, 2021 at 12:55 am
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 9, 2021 at 9:22 am
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by LadyForCamus - September 11, 2021 at 3:19 pm
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by HappySkeptic - September 14, 2021 at 1:38 pm
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2021 at 11:39 pm
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2021 at 8:33 am
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RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 14, 2021 at 4:55 pm
RE: Mindfulness or Mindlessness? - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2021 at 6:49 pm
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