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On the lunacy of free will
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
(October 12, 2021 at 8:39 am)Spongebob Wrote: You can believe these things, but of course you must understand that your belief in no way guarantees these things are true.  And as I've pointed out to other theists here, just believing in god is not enough.  You have to believe in the right god.  If you get the wrong one, you are no better off than disbelieving completely, possibly worse even.

The fact most people believe in some god doesn't add any credibility to your position.  For one, they don't agree on which god is real.  Much of what they believe is mutually exclusive, which means they can't all be right.

I do think it's unique that you believe that belief in god doesn't guarantee you get into heaven, but apparently gets you better treatment in hell.

Pascal’s wager.

It is more complicated than that. Some religions share the same god: judaism, christianity, islam, mormonism
So, you have to choose the right religion. The modern day jew, christian, islam, mormon might say it doesn’t matter which of these 4 religions you choose but that’s bc they don’t want to get into an argument. They don’t want a gun fight.
In the old days, these groups were very much willing to kill each other over their religion.

Then, you have to choose the right sect since each of these religions are fragmented.
Christianity has 37,000 sects.
Islam seems to have 51. (If you are going to count each mosque as separate like in the case of christianity, then I’m sure you’ll reach some high number).
Mormonism has 4.
I don’t know about judaism.

I’ve heard christians say countless of times “beware of wolfs in sheep’s clothing” when they refer to islam or mormonism. <--- Such people are more willing to tell you what they really think about the other religions.
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