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On the lunacy of free will
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
(October 15, 2021 at 11:08 am)Ahriman Wrote:
Quote:To resist takes disciplined reasoning and often enormous courage.
Lol no. All it takes is a desire to be different.

This informs me that you have a profound misunderstanding of what drives other people, particularly those who reject religious modalities.  For starters, you should ask yourself why you think atheists just want to be different?  What value is there in being different?  In what way does this improve one's life or make life better or more appealing.  This reminds me of arguments against homosexuality that centered around it being a choice and the desire to be deviant.  Homophobes have clung to such arguments despite the fact that being homosexual or identifying as anything other than what society considers "normal" relegates one to a life of persecution.

But lets examine your deep ignorance even further.  If we go back in time to the early Roman Empire, there was a new religious cult forming that was based on the life and teachings of a renegade Jew who dared to challenge the authority of the Hebrew priests.  The cult started small and began to grow, defying persecution and oppression.  At least this is the generally accepted story, not the actual historical account.  But in this story, would you also accuse these followers of Jesus as just wanting to be "different"?  Please extend that to the Muslims, the Protestant reformation, the Mormons, Scientologists...even Socrates for that matter.  In fact, every religion has had a beginning and in most cases each one had to compete with another, already established and powerful religion.  So by your way of thinking, every religion known to man arose merely because its adherents wanted to be "different"?  Do you see the ignorance of your position?

Now lets get to the reality.  It's seems almost fundamentally stupid that someone needs to explain to you (or anyone) that most atheists grew up immersed in religion but at some point in their life began to question the validity of it, and there could be thousands of thing to initiate that.  But said questioning led to the eventual understanding that all of these religious people don't really know much of anything and certainly can't wrestle with the contradictions between religious beliefs and objective reality.  To merely accept those beliefs and put your questions to rest requires nothing except a willingness to bow down to others and live in ignorance.  There's no honor or dignity in that.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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On the lunacy of free will - by slartibartfast - October 11, 2021 at 3:01 pm
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