RE: The Ownership of Science
November 3, 2021 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2021 at 11:45 am by GaryAnderson.)
(November 3, 2021 at 11:37 am)Simon Moon Wrote:On your first point. This is what I mentioned to Brian: “ This is another interpretation which is also acceptable. But if the parameters of gravity were to change by a small amount, the universe and its lifespan wouldn’t have existed for very long. There’s also the theory of Universal Consciousness here which could fit your interpretation that even in a short-life universe, awareness exists and that’s as close as you can get to “life”.(November 3, 2021 at 11:07 am)GaryAnderson Wrote: You need to look this up more but the universe is fine-tuned for life and this is confirmed and mentioned by many scientists. This means that you don’t like theists using this fact to support their position.
The fact that the current presentation of the universe has the parameters that support life, does not mean it was fine tuned to do so.
Please let us know, how many iterations of the universe existed before this one, that were not able to support life?
We are the results of the universe being able to support life, not the goal of such a universe.
As far as iterations, my theist position is that a Creator created this universe which is fine-tuned for life. If any of the Fundamental particles were changed by 0.1%, the universe and its lifespan will be short or unable to support life as we know it.
(November 3, 2021 at 11:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: I frequently have argued the superfluous nature of inserting a God or religion into explaining nature or morality like this: If there was one cure all for humanity that theists or religious people claim, then why is it every nation on the planet, both friend and foe alike, have both hospitals and prisons?
Scientific method explains why we socialize and why we group. Religion DOES provide social structure creating safety in numbers, but that false perception does not make their beliefs fact. The Ancient Egyptians were successful for over 3,000 years, but that did not make Ra, Osiris, Isis or Horus real.
This is another interesting topic regarding Hope and how atheists will try but fail to apply a lot of theory they preach into practice for themselves.
