The Ownership of Science

[Spongebob]

Dude, these are claims made using science. They can’t be proven. So basically you don’t want anybody to make claims using science. Fair enough.

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The intelligence of my God is not the point. The point is do you have any problems with anyone using science to support their beliefs?

Thank you !


Because it’s a mathematical brute fact. You’ve heard about brute facts I assume. Like the universe exists - that’s a brute fact.

Yes, some of us have heard of brute facts but I do not think you are there yet. Does the universe exist in the the particular way that it does by necessity or could it have been otherwise? To what exactly, i.e. what kind of objects, do the symbols of the math equation "2 + 2 =4" refer?

Not to confuse the matter even more, but mathematics is an example of an axiomatic system.

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Sure, I'm speaking the language of a person who believes that the religious truths we express can, indeed, be true, and that whichever ones of them are true could very much be investigated by the scientific method and could find their support in it.

You're speaking the language of a person who believes that the scientific understanding of the world is, a..wrong..and, b..an example of faithing one's way to conclusions - just like philosophy, for that matter.

No man. This is why we don’t understand each-other. I’m simply asking if you have a problem with one group or another using science to make leaps of faith on existential topics. And it sounds like you do have a problem with people doing that. This doesn’t strike me as very tolerant because I don’t care who uses science to answer existential questions.
Live and let live.

Wait, this was not in the OP.  Using science (I assume you mean the scientific method) to make any "leap of faith" is inappropriate and very different from your original question.  The scientific method is meant to test an idea, not justify a leap of faith.