Proverbs 16:4

[Doubting Thomas]

Might makes right is only fallacious if the being containing the might is fallible. Of course God is infallible so it’s completely a valid argument to make.

But how do you know this for sure? Even if God is infallible, "might makes right" doesn't make him a being worth being worshiped.

You would go to hell for committing idolatry, not for worshipping God in the “wrong” way.

WTF is the difference? What if that rock were my god? People have worshiped other gods besides Yahweh, and according to your doctrine they not only burn in hell for eternity, but deserve to.

Protestants do not believe all Catholics are going to hell.

Then why don't they practice Catholicism? According to Protestants, Catholics are not worshiping God the right way. If they were, then all Protestants would be Catholics. And Catholics believe that Protestants are not worshiping God the correct way.

God’s nature is that He does not lie, so when He says He is just, He is just, when He says He is loving, He is loving. It’s pretty simple logic really.
1. God is infallible, He never lies.
2. God says He is loving.
3. Therefore God is loving.
Completely valid argument.

Completely circular argument. God is loving because he says so? And God does lie. He told Adam & Eve that they would die on the day they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge, but they lived for 900-some years. It was actually the serpent which told the truth.

Judging sinners with the appropriate punishment, just. Having sinners destroy other sinners in order to fulfill His purpose, also just. No problems there.

I was referring to natural disasters, mainly. So kids in Ethiopia starve to death because they're evil sinners, while kids in industrialized countries who probably commit the same sins or worse live to a ripe old age? Your god is a monster not to mention totally inconsistent.

Knowing is not synonymous with causing.

Bullshit. If you know thousands of years in advance that the first two people you make will disobey you, why not arrange things differently so that it didn't happen? Why not take away the serpent's ability to speak? And why would you put the tree of knowledge right in their midst just to make it easier for them to disobey? And how could you ever justify punishing all the billions of people to come after for something you knew the first two people would do? Basically the whole story is like placing a cookie in the middle of the nursery floor and telling your 1 year old not to eat it. Then when he does, you punish not only him but his children and grandchildren forever unless they happen to kiss your ass to your satisfaction.

What? Sin is a theological term so of course it has to deal with the supernatural. Stop trying to take the discussion off course. We both have broken the laws set forth in scripture numerous times we have both sinned in addition to our original sin.

I'm not trying to go off course, I'm just refuting your claim that I've sinned. I have never sinned, and you have never sinned. Without a god, there's no such thing as sin. But the whole idea of original sin is what is totally unfair about the basic idea of Christianity, which is that we need to be "saved" from original sin because for some reason they think it's totally fair & just to punish all of humanity for what two mythical people did. My stance is that it's not.

I don’t see why you think God’s knowledge of the situation is in any way relevant. If my parents knew I was going to sneak out and break their rules, it in no way makes them responsible and me innocent. I still broke the rules.

But your parents didn't conceive you with the knowledge of every single time you are going to disobey them. Nor do good parents put a bowl full of candy in the middle of the floor where kids are playing and expect them to not eat it when they're told, knowing full well that they will as soon as their back is turned. Nor do good parents who are fair to their children punish them all for what just one of them did before they were born. If my oldest brother had stolen a cookie from the cookie jar before I was born, would that justify my parents spanking me for it? In your scenario of God's might making him right no matter what, it is fair. In my world of reality, I say that it's not.

I really wish you could see things from my perspective, but you've got your blinders on so tight that you just can't understand why your idea of God shows him as an unjust, unfair ruler. You not only can't see outside your little box, you refuse to because you've brainwashed yourself into seeing God only as an all-loving deity because he says he is. Your idea that we should worship and love him because he could just squash us like little bugs is telling. You can go on believing that he would be just and fair even if he did this, but I just can't.