What the #$*! Do We (K)now!?

[Edwardo Piet]

I think if there's a God...and WE were his purpose, then either he's a fucktard or a complete bastard (or both)...

Or maybe just insane. Which would explain the quite random chaotic laws of the universe and the craziness of quantum mechanics, lol.

But of course I don't believe that for a minute lol ( I don't believe in God folks, in case you don't know that by now - And anyone new who doesn't know me checking - just take a look at my sig and religious views lol)

EvF

[Dotard]

It was quite entertaining. Taken with a grain of salt.

[g-mark]

It looks as if you are not sure EvF.

[Edwardo Piet]

I have no idea why it looks like that to you. I am VERY sure indeed.

I believe God almost certainly doesn't exist. He's about as likely as Santa, the Tooth Fairy or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Very complex and no evidence whatsoever.

EvF

[g-mark]

Almost.

[Edwardo Piet]

Yup. "Almost" as a massive understatement - but still not absolutely (100%) certain.

EvF

[Tiberius]

Almost.

It would be very unscientific and irrational to presume absolute knowledge about things that cannot be proven (indeed it is a contradiction). I hold that beings such as gods are unprovable because the attributes that define them are unprovable and even undemonstratable (we're talking about omniscience, omnipresence, etc). Thus unprovable beings can never have a truth value assigned to them.

I'd disagree with EvF on the "certainty" issue. To be certain of something is completely different from claiming absolute knowledge. I am certain the sun will come up tomorrow, but it won't if the sun is destroyed tonight whilst I sleep. Certainty is a measure of how likely you believe the event to be, and I think the existence of gods are completely 100% unlikely, and I am therefore 100% certain about their non-existence. I'm not going to claim they don't exist however, because I simply do not know.

[Edwardo Piet]

I agree with you Adrian, I am just using different terminology so I don't have to explain what you just said all the time...

It must get frustrating. But I probably should anyway.

Like you said - you can be absolutely certain in your belief (or non-belief) but still not claim absolute knowelge. (i.e be absolutely certain but still accept you could be wrong). Right?

EvF

[Giff]

I watched this in philosophy and it was kind of interesting I guess. I didn't buy most of it though, lol. I thought it was very science heavy to be shown in a philosophy class... I agreed with certain statements in the film though. I remember there was one part that one of the contributors to the film said how crazy it was for believers of organized religion to think that a little ball of carbon (ie. people) could do anything to offend or sin against such a momentous power that god would have to be if he created our whole universe... basically that we mean very little and religion is a little narcissistic. Which I agree with, if there is a god, we don't mean very much to him.

Good point the RTP.

If there was a god religion wouldn't be needed acctually. But there isn't a god.

[g-mark]

he dispelled all rumours of a link between quantum mechanics and consciousness.

If

Quantum mechanics (QM) is a set of principles underlying the most fundamental known description of all physical systems at the submicroscopic scale (at the atomic level).

and if

Consciousness is a word often used in everyday speech to describe being awake and aware – responsive to the environment. This "self-awareness" may involve thoughts, sensations, perceptions, moods, emotions, and dreams.

Can we assume that because QM descibes all physical systems (substance) at the atomic level, and our mind (brain) where consciousness occurs is substance, there maybe a connection between the two?

I draw you to

Quantum mind (QM) theories are based on the premise that quantum mechanics is necessary to fully understand the mind and brain, particularly concerning an explanation of consciousness. This approach is considered a minority opinion in science, although it does have the support of the well-known Roger Penrose, who has proposed a quantum mind theory in conjunction with Stuart Hameroff. Karl H. Pribram and Henry Stapp have also proposed variations.

For me the connection seems obvious.

But hey, once the world was flat.

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Also, how did we get to god again?