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New Scientist 2856
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New Scientist 2856
Anyone seen this weeks New Scientist. It's sub-titled “The God Issue”. The relevant section contains 5 articles on various aspects of religious faith. The first is by Justin L. Barrett who makes the case that children are born believers with a “God-shaped” space waiting to be filled. He is a psychologist who works at the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, so is certainly a committed Christian – in fact I have seen him described as such elsewhere – but this does not necessarily render his views completely without merit. His case seems to be that children find it very easy to accept supernatural explanations for things, and are constantly looking for causes or agents when looking at the world around them, and that “we all share an intuition that apparent order and design such as we see in the world around us requires an agent to bring it about”. He discounts the Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy analogy because people do not come to believe in these entities in adulthood. His article is very careful not to draw the conclusion “therefore God exists” , merely that children are susceptible to that suggestion – which we all knew anyway.
The other articles are.

“The idea that launched a thousand civilisations” by Ara Norenzayan

Religious thinking played a role in uniting groups of humans when they evolved from small hunter/gatherer tribes to bigger groups, and helped to encourage cooperation and trust between strangers within these groups.

“Natural religion, unnatural science” by Robert N. McCauley

There is a difference between “popular religion” and theology, and “when asked in experiments to talk or think about gods' thoughts and actions in stories, religious people immediately and completely abandon theologically correct doctrine in favour of popular religion”. I interpret this to mean for instance that Christians will continue to talk enthusiastically about someone they know miraculously recovering from an illness because they prayed, but ignore the fact that according to strict theological doctrine it must have been Gods' plan all along, regardless of whether they prayed or not. Also the the article makes the point that science is hard and often counter-intuitive, whilst religion is easy – children can understand it, thus concluding that atheists underestimate its staying power.

“The God Hypothesis” by Victor J. Stenger

If god or gods play a central role in the operation of the universe and the lives of humans, evidence for him/them should be readily detectable by scientific means. The article outlines some of the experiments done to attempt to detect god, e.g. the secret message on top of a high shelf in operating theatres for Near Death Experiences, and concludes that the universe and everything that happens in it (as far as we can see) are exactly what one would expect if there were no God.

“Religion without God” by Alain de Botton

This is in an interview form rather than a written article. “Atheists need to reclaim the useful bits of religion that have been annexed by the godly”. Some of these useful bits are stated as being “community binding” , “community rituals” , stuff to do with “the challenges of living in a community” and “the challenges of bad stuff happening to us”.

I recommend that people try and get a copy. Its dated 17th March and is edition number 2856.

Regards

Grimesy
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Interesting.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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I think it's because people are naturally superstitious. If they don't know why there appears to be a correlation between X and Y, they'll invent an explanation which proves causation in their mind.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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I can argue a thousand counter points to the OP's posed issues.

Lets limit it to this one:

Quote:The first is by Justin L. Barrett who makes the case that children are born believers with a “God-shaped” space waiting to be filled. He is a psychologist who works at the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, so is certainly a committed Christian – in fact I have seen him described as such elsewhere – but this does not necessarily render his views completely without merit. His case seems to be that children find it very easy to accept supernatural explanations for things, and are constantly looking for causes or agents when looking at the world around them, and that “we all share an intuition that apparent order and design such as we see in the world around us requires an agent to bring it about”. He discounts the Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy analogy because people do not come to believe in these entities in adulthood. His article is very careful not to draw the conclusion “therefore God exists” , merely that children are susceptible to that suggestion – which we all knew anyway.
The other articles are.

The first sentence alone shows bad intend. Basically saying children are empty and that you can PROGRAM whatever into them what you like. There is a name for it and it is called Indoctrination. It is the main reason so many Atheists do not want Theists to teach biology in the classroom.
The moment your teacher is a believer,... you can never get unbiased science education as their socalled science education will always have -God- as the common fact of thruth. As the above shows that "children find it easy to accept supernatural explanations". To discount Santa Clause is a fail, because he ignores the whole fact that at some point children are TOLD hat Santa does not exists. However,... if you never tell a child that Santa does not exists,... Santa will be on the same realm as a God.

The biggest fail of religion is that they fail at science. To see any religious argument mention a person taking it up for God,... makes me laugh. No religion has EVER followed the scientific doctrines, scientific method. It are only those that already believe in a God that tend to believe that whatever their speaker is saying about science.... is true.

It has been world wide accepted that the Scientific Method is the most unbiased and honoust way, to determine thruth. Religious speakers only use it when is suits their needs,... for all other ocassions they ignore it completely.
"Ha, you did not read the Bible,... untill you do it is pointless to talk to you!"... How many Christians or Muslims or whatever do you know ... have studied Atheism, and actually know what it means? True,... knowledge is better... BUT you attack THEM on the knowledge THEY lack about you. That is how you win.
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Quote:The first is by Justin L. Barrett who makes the case that children are born believers with a “God-shaped” space waiting to be filled.


Wait. Let me guess. The god-shape is to be filled with this douchebags "god."
These fuckers are all the same.
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Whenever someone beats the dead horse of ridiculous statements that is the "God-shaped void" within us needing to be filled, I always think of this clip from Austin Powers with regards to what 'shape' that void they're referring to is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpiP_jN1Pv4
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