More Kony Shit

[5thHorseman]

I haven't given Invisible Children a penny, so many superior and needier causes.

Still, their aim as a charity is to create noise about issues, it worked.

[Napoléon]

so many superior and needier causes.

What I'm saying in a nutshell.

[Shell B]

[Tiberius]

[Napoléon]

You don't have to like all charities, but do not scorn those who support them.

I wasn't intending to do that if you're referring to me.


I'm not going to drag out an argument on this topic, I doubt anyone wants to be arguing over what charity is better than another.

Meh, I'll just say that I am very sceptical of this invisible children charity and for good enough reason from what I've seen. The Kony video was in my opinion misleading, not necessarily intentionally deceptive no, but misleading nonetheless.

I wasn't trying to bash on anyone for supporting Kony or any charity for that matter, I was just raising some points I wished for your opinions on.

Looks like I got that eh!

[theVOID]

They already give millions of dollars to useful causes. Yes, money is also spent on getting the message out, but can you really argue that it hasn't been extremely effective? Charity is great, but a charity that is virtually unknown will not get enough donations to do anything.

I'll stand corrected when their 'campaign' can be shown to be responsible, even in part, for the arrest and trial of Kony. I just don't expect it to happen - If anyone actually does find the guy and arrest him it sure as hell won't be the US government, it will be the Ugandan government, and it won't be because of this Kony2012 bollocks.

Maybe if they were running a campaign to hire a mercenary group to track him down and detain him I'd be impressed, that could actually get the job done.

As I said before, if you think that we should just ignore war criminals because they have no power anymore, then you are welcome to hold that opinion.

I never said anything remotely like it, I just said this campaign isn't going to achieve it thus it's a waste of money that will do little more than get the organisers a few nice 1st class flights and some dinners with George Clooney while also making a couple of mechanise producers quite rich.

I personally think people who commit crimes should be prosecuted, period. We still hunt down and convict Nazi war criminals. Time or loss of power is no reason to give up or not care about previously committed atrocities.

No there isn't a reason to give up, but neither does it make a viral video and a billboard campaign a reasonable solution to the problem.

Explain to me Adrian, how exactly do you see this campaign being effective in bringing about the arrest of Kony?

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Regarding this campaign or any other, I do sometimes wonder why people spend so much time shooting them down. If you don't agree with the campaign, its fine, put your money where you see fit.

Why? Because they believe it's a waste of charitable dollars that could be used much more effectively.

Sure, they're free to put their money where they like but that doesn't make it unreasonable to try and point out what a complete and utter waste it is. If you really believe there is something wrong with this approach I should hope I never see you arguing against tithing or any other money-wasting bullshit, least you want to be a hypocrite.

But investing time and effort undermining the efforts of others seem to be a hobby to many people.

It's no more of a 'hobby' than it is for the people who are 'undermining' the efforts of certain evangelical Christians to build a massive Ark themed funpark.

I mean, look at that, some guy wasted his time doing a video, instead of doing something useful. Don't agree with kony2012 and/or any other campaign? Okay, just go do some LOLcats or somethin, not a problem for me.

And thunderfoot 'wasted his time' making videos about the banana man instead of doing something useful. I guess he should have done some LOLcats too?

Oh wait, he thought it was useful to demonstrate how stupid Ray Comfort is, the same applies here, these people who are against the Kony2012 campaign are making videos about it precisely because they believe it is a waste of time and money.

You have to wonder why these people feel the need to demand where other people put their donation money.

Demanded? What a crock.

And really, I'd wrater see grafitty and/or posters of people fighting a good cause than the usual numbskull ones we have right now done by some hip-hop wannabe.

They're both equally as pointless and equally as reprehensible, they can stick posters on their own damn property to their hearts content but instead they are advocating large-scale graffiti that is going to take the owners of the properties hours to clean up while achieving absolutely nothing of worth.

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People do realize that the situation in the DRC is such that Kony could easily replenish his numbers, right?

Oh obviously, he's clearly just decided to stay a broke, impoverished hasbeen when he could easily become a powerful warlord again!

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Ok, apparently you were serious.

War with Uganda (or any other country) is not mentioned at all in the video, nor is it the point of the video. A war with Iran has been on the cards for years, and I fail to see how a video about Uganda (an African country) is going to make people support a war with Iran (a Middle Eastern country). Not only is there the massive geographical difference, but the entire point of the video is to bring one man and his small band of militants to justice at the International Criminal Court (hence why the ICC is featured in the film). It is not about a military invasion of another country; it is about having the military of non-Ugandan countries help the Ugandan army get rid of one of their worst war criminals. This is more of a peace-keeping mission than anything else, and I'm in complete favour of missions where we don't use our armies to kill innocent civillians, but instead use them to hunt down known criminals and bring them to justice.

Also, this guy claims to have been on YouTube for 2 years, and yet he doesn't think it's possible for a video like this to get 40 million views in a couple of days? Pull the other one. Social media is extremely powerful; there is a reason why so many companies now hire people just to visit reddit or twitter all day. This kind of stuff travels very quickly on the Internet.

Sorry, but my bullshit alarms went off when he started going on about CIA conspiracies.

Yeah that video was complete horse-shit.

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1) Video sheds light on injustice that most people are unaware of.
2) Millions of people watch video.
3) Millions of people are now aware of injustice, and demand something is done about it.
4) Government listens to will of people (rare, I know, but it happens) and does something.

Here's something just as plausible:

1) Video sheds light on injustice that most people are unaware of.
2) Millions of people watch video.
3) Kony sees the video.
4) Kony feels guilty and turns himself in.

[Shell B]

Oh obviously, he's clearly just decided to stay a broke, impoverished hasbeen when he could easily become a powerful warlord again!

How do you know he is impoverished? How do you know how many men he has? The U.S. military can't even find him.

At any rate, we don't know his precise movements or this would not even be a problem. Furthermore, he doesn't need to be a powerful warlord to continue what he is doing or join up with other rebel groups. Let's not forget that both factions in the Rwandan Genocide are in the DRC. Refugees from the and perpetrators of the Darfurian Genocide are there are as well. Then, you have Ugandan douchebags, Congolese douchebags and any number of other douchebags. Say you have six gangs in one area and one happens to be smaller than it has been in the past, do you assume that it will not get new recruits? Do you choose to let past indiscretions slide because the gang has gotten smaller? The DRC isn't exactly somewhere I want Kony or any other of those douchebags hanging out. It is certainly possible that he is still very much active. It would be foolish to just ignore him and assume otherwise simply because nobody sees him. He wouldn't be very good at what he does if people just saw him strolling around with 500 guys.

[Napoléon]

Yeah that video was complete horse-shit.

Mostly horse-shit yeah, not completely.

[paintpooper]

[Tiberius]