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#11
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If that's the case then why would you come here and state them as fact? Atheists require verifiable evidence before they will accept an argument, so coming to this forum and making statements like yours are going to be challenged and dismissed if they are not backed up.
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#12
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(June 10, 2009 at 11:50 am)Ahriman565 Wrote: My beliefs are personal and probably quite unique. Because of that, theres little "evidence" I can give to validate my beliefs to other people such as yourself.
You see, I think you answer your own question:
Quote:There is empirical evidence for all these matters, so how can they be disproved?
You ask how these things can be disproved, and then admit that there is little evidence (you are right, there is no evidence at all!) you can give to validate your beliefs. Hence, they remain unproven.

In reality, nothing can be proven or disproven; we're not omniscient. What we can to is evaluate the likelihood of such things and give them such a high or low probability that they are as good as "proven" or "disproven".
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#13
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(June 10, 2009 at 10:54 am)Ahriman565 Wrote: I used to be an Athesit. Then I realised it was silly.

What's an Athesit and why should anyone care that you claim you were once one?

(June 10, 2009 at 10:57 am)Bef Wrote: Edwin Satre, is that you?

Were you ever a denizen of Adrian Barnett's Wasteland Of Atheist's forum?

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#14
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(June 10, 2009 at 10:54 am)Ahriman565 Wrote: I used to be an Athesit. Then I realised it was silly.

So I became an occultist. I was wondering what your views are on occult matters such as ghosts, magic and demonology? There is empirical evidence for all these matters, so how can they be disproved?

Kindly explain how atheists are " silly ".
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#15
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Assuming that is a typo and he means atheist, atheisim really has nothing at all to do with any of the things posted.

Atheists can beleive in ghosts, souls, magic and in the right circumstance even demons so long as those demons are not, or do not involve gods. So unless a god enters the scene you're still an atheist.

I've heard of plenty of cults out there and I really couldn't care less about the social stigma surrounding them, it's just another religion that needs to bear the burden of proof.

As far as personal experiences go, I spent much of my youth beleiving such tales as psychics, chakras and even magick. After trying to make just about all of them work and nummerous wasted hours of research, and noticing many others do the same to no avail I concluded it all as BS. That isn't to say I have not seen something I could not explain but, without further testing it would not have been appropriate to conclude any of those events as working magick.

So welcome to the forum, though this is the wrong place for introductions. Feel free to join in but, consider that this community values evidence and objective thinking.
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#16
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I will not supply evidence for ghosts in this post (although I have a case study or two if required), but I shall present evidence for mediumship. Indridi Indridason was born in Iceland in 1883 and died in 1912. He was one of the greatest mediums of his generation.

The first great test of Indridi Indridason came on 24 November 1905. He told the Experimental Society (who where studying his mediumship abilities) that a fire would break out in Copenhagen. The head of the Experiment Society (ES) then proceeded to tell the Bishop of Iceland the following day. On month latter a boat arrived in Iceland which brought news of a tragic fire in Copenhagen on the 18 December 1905.

After this event the ES wished impartial witnesses to witness what they were beginning to realise was a great opportunity for study into the paranormal. As such, in 1906, the ES invited the Bishop of Iceland, a high-up magistrate and the British consul to Iceland to witness Indridason. All where amazed and none could prove any fraudulent activity-despite having inspected both the medium and the room before the séance. The Bishop was so impressed that he invited Indridason back to his residence where the same amazing results were replicated-this ruled out the chance that the ES building was rigged and added further validity to Indridason.

At this point DR Hannesson, a noted scientist and known sceptic of this sort of thing, desided to begin an investigation. The Doctor-latter Professor-carried out various tests on the medium in the ES building and in other neutral locations, both during the day and at night. After many months of research Hannesson concluded that he could find not even a hint that any fraudulent activity was taking place.

Indridason died before further research could be conducted, but he stands up as a powerful case for the existence of mediumship.
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#17
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Damn, Demonaura beat me to it. Ahriman565, in your list of things there was one word missing that would not qualify you as an atheist, which is the belief in gods. You can believe that pixies pull your feet to the ground instead of gravity, and still be an atheist.
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#18
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(June 10, 2009 at 2:38 pm)dagda Wrote: Indridason died before further research could be conducted, but he stands up as a powerful case for the existence of mediumship.

That's an anecdote, not evidence.
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#19
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Well it was scientificaly tested by impartial witnesses under labrotary conditions and repeated several times with the same results. A damn sight more evidence than string theory or the big bang!
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#20
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The Big Bang has heaps more evidence thanks very much...

Oh, and there is no such thing as an "impartial witness" in science, other than the evidence at hand. Could you give details of the experiments performed, because without any references you could simply be making this all up.

As for the fire claim, the psychic did not give any specific dates (in your version anyway) so all he has to do is wait for a fire to break out in Copenhagen. Fires break out all the time; it's the reason we have a fire service.

Anyway, you probably haven't heard how scientists can be easily fooled, just as James Randi fooled a load of scientists in the 60's by planting two magicians into a psychic test done under the most strict conditions.
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