Should man rule over women for women’s own good?

[Polaris]

If a woman wants to be ruled over by her spouse (within reason), so be it. If a man wants to be ruled over by his spouse, then so be it as well.

Not everyone wants to be in a relationship that is 100% equal.

Stop making me like you :p

My anti-imperalism will likely grant your wish.

[Mystical]

As a woman, Esquilaxs woman to be exact-- I choose to whom I submit my entire being, mind body, and heart.

And that submission, we both agree, in no way makes you of any less value/worth/equal than him [Esquilax].

Yes, I agree. And I also hope that we can both agree that if my husband pulled out a book that says my submission to his authority is my duty per the word of a Supreme Authority--then that would be debasing.

[Greatest I am]

You have been told.

Enforce and demand that men do their duty to family and place women and children ahead of themselves. It is the moral thing to do.

Regards.
DL

You are adorable. Okay so how do I enforce this? Why is this my duty?

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"It is my position that it is to all of us, women and men, to demand equality of all people regardless of gender or sexual persuasion.

It is my further position that men should exceed equality and discriminate positively for women and children by bringing the tradition of women and children first to the life boats, IOW, placing them above us, even on land."

The first paragraph is great. The second not so much. The 2 together are a contradiction.

No. The second adds to the minimum standard of the first by recognizing that men, at there core, are a proud animal and that forces us to choose duty. Many have forgotten what they are truly like inside. We want to stand tall but have forgotten how to get there.

Your duty is to demand that men do their duty. Women have morality on their side and now must seek justice and push men to also seek it.

Regards
DL

[Diablo]

It's quite interesting, the standards that people have. I sill hold the door open and let women go through first, I guess I'm old fashioned like that. Maybe some women wouldn't like that because of the perceived sexism. I call it being polite.

[Losty]

No. The second adds to the minimum standard of the first by recognizing that men, at there core, are a proud animal and that forces us to choose duty. Many have forgotten what they are truly like inside. We want to stand tall but have forgotten how to get there.

Your duty is to demand that men do their duty. Women have morality on their side and now must seek justice and push men to also seek it.

Regards
DL

No the second destroys your idea of equality.
You know what you are welcome to have your morals, but who are you to tell other people what they must do because it is their "duty"?
The answer, no one. You are no one to try to force your outdated ideas of morality on anyone.

Equality doesn't mean that every relationship is going to be equal. Equality means that every person (male or female) has the same right/opportunity to choose for themselves what their duties are to their partner, and whether or not they will submit to their partner, and whether or not they love them enough to die for them. These things are personal choices not duties and it's only your business if you're the one making the choice (for yourself not pointing any guns at other people).

You have a mixed up idea of equality. I'm not saying I hate it. I am very much attracted to strong, dominant, protective men. Not all women like that. I also think men who don't have those traits are still real men and they can still be good people without caring about the duties you have defined for them.

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It's quite interesting, the standards that people have. I sill hold the door open and let women go through first, I guess I'm old fashioned like that. Maybe some women wouldn't like that because of the perceived sexism. I call it being polite.

It wouldn't bother me at all. Though I think it's polite to hold the door for whoever is behind you regardless of gender. I hold the door for people all the time.

[orangebox21]

[Jackalope]

If a woman wants to be ruled over by her spouse (within reason), so be it. If a man wants to be ruled over by his spouse, then so be it as well.

Not everyone wants to be in a relationship that is 100% equal.

Exactly.

Furthermore, I'd say that it's not some third-party's business to come in and say how two people in their relationship ought to consensually conduct themselves within that relationship.

[Losty]

"This is why I had initially asked Esquiliax to define 'submit.'
"The Greek word for submission is hupotasso, “to subordinate…put under…” God exhorts women to voluntarily follow their husband’s leadership (Ephesians 5:22, 1 Peter 3:1). A woman is actively doing this-- choosing to put herself under leadership, choosing to be subordinate in a circumstance or relationship. This is not forced upon her by the recipient." full article here"

So, are you telling me that god exhorts this but doesn't command it? If a woman chooses not to submit, is that not a sin?

[orangebox21]

"This is why I had initially asked Esquiliax to define 'submit.'
"The Greek word for submission is hupotasso, “to subordinate…put under…” God exhorts women to voluntarily follow their husband’s leadership (Ephesians 5:22, 1 Peter 3:1). A woman is actively doing this-- choosing to put herself under leadership, choosing to be subordinate in a circumstance or relationship. This is not forced upon her by the recipient." full article here"

So, are you telling me that god exhorts this but doesn't command it? If a woman chooses not to submit, is that not a sin?

To clarify, there are two different relationships involved in this discussion and with respect to the question you're asking. One is between God and a wife, the other is between a husband and a wife. My posts are intended to address the nature of the relationship between husbands and wives, not between God and wives.

With respect to your questions, they address the relationship between God and a wife. Certainly God does command a wife to willingly submit to her husband. Given that any action outside the will of God is sin, then yes a wife not willingly submitting to her husband would be considered a sin (just as a husband not laying down his life for his wife would be a sin). God provides grace (divine influence on the heart) to accomplish His commands and grace (justification) to forgive us when we don't.


So to clarify the discussion with respect to your questions, God makes the command (authoritative), the husband makes an exhortation (not authoritative).

[FatAndFaithless]

Well God sure seems like he'd fit in with a fedora.