Round and round we go

[Anomalocaris]

I agree that we disagree.

I really only ever ask one thing from from believers. Present a reason to believe that your god exists. A reason that does not require that god's existence. None can offer said reason, and so I continue to lack belief. I don't particularly care if others believe or not, so long as they keep their beliefs out of my life.

I only ask one thing from believers: Shut up!

[Welsh cake]

Reading through the different threads, it is interesting to see the variety of topics being discussed, yet it seems to boil down to the following;

Christian - There is a God.

Atheist/humanist - No there is not.

NO.

You claim there's a god.

We ask for proof, for evidence.

You fail to deliver.

We say "better luck next time" and carry on with our lives...

...BUT then you go and force your religious drivel and dogma within public institutions anyway. You push your theology into politics and law-making decisions, preventing science teachers from doing their job and teaching the facts, putting a huge strain on the education system so your desert nomad creation myths have equal footing with factual knowledge in our public schools. Denying people who speak contrary to you or don't share your beliefs basic human rights and equality. All at taxpayers and our children's developing mind's expense.

That's what it all boils down to, and boy, does it ever bring my piss to the boil too.

[Angrboda]

In 2009, the Good News Club came to the public elementary school where journalist Katherine Stewart sent her children. The Club, which is sponsored by the Child Evangelism Fellowship, bills itself as an after-school program of “Bible study.” But Stewart soon discovered that the Club’s real mission is to convert children to fundamentalist Christianity and encourage them to proselytize to their “unchurched” peers, all the while promoting the natural but false impression among the children that its activities are endorsed by the school.

Astonished to discover that the U.S. Supreme Court has deemed this—and other forms of religious activity in public schools—legal, Stewart set off on an investigative journey to dozens of cities and towns across the nation to document the impact. In this book she demonstrates that there is more religion in America’s public schools today than there has been for the past 100 years. The movement driving this agenda is stealthy. It is aggressive. It has our children in its sights. And its ultimate aim is to destroy the system of public education as we know it.

— Book description for