What Heaven is Like

[Welsh cake]

I think this whole argument is really fucking stupid.

I agree.

[ElDinero]

Thanks for posting JUST to tell us that you don't like this thread and that you're not going to post in it. Smashing input, chaps. Feel free to visit every other thread on the forum and let us know whether or not you think the discussion is interesting or not.

Azia, if you can't work out why it is actually impossible for 21% of atheists to believe in God, go back to school.

[Adjusted Sanity]

I didnt say i didnt like the thread. I' m saying the current subject if argument is so fucking stupid and it's moronic to waste time arguing about shit that should be obvious. That's my opinion.

[michaelsherlock]

This meditation is from the first sermon of His Eminence Blessed John Henry Newman ("Holiness Necessary for Future Blessedness"), given when he was only 25 years old, which made me think a bit of some of the points mentioned in this forum. Hopefully it doesn't come off as too preachy, rather I think its just thoughtful:

....even supposing a man of unholy life were suffered to enter heaven, he would not be happy there; so that it would be no mercy to permit him to enter....

Supposing, then, instead of it being said that no irreligious man could serve and attend on God in heaven (or see Him, as the text expresses it), we were told that no irreligious man could worship, or spiritually see Him in church; should we not at once perceive the meaning of the doctrine? viz. that, were a man to come hither, who had suffered his mind to grow up in its own way, as nature or chance determined, without any deliberate habitual effort after truth and purity, he would find no real pleasure here, but would soon get weary of the place; because, in this house of God, he would hear only of that one subject which he cared little or nothing about, and nothing at all of those things which excited his hopes and fears, his sympathies and energies. If then a man without religion (supposing it possible) were admitted into heaven, doubtless he would sustain a great disappointment. Before, indeed, he fancied that he could be happy there; but when he arrived there, he would find no discourse but that which he had shunned on earth, no pursuits but those he had disliked or despised, nothing which bound him to aught else in the universe, and made him feel at home, nothing which he could enter into and rest upon. He would perceive himself to be an isolated being, cut away by Supreme Power from those objects which were still entwined around his heart. Nay, he would be in the presence of that Supreme Power, whom he never on earth could bring himself steadily to think upon, and whom now he regarded only as the destroyer of all that was precious and dear to him. Ah! he could not bear the face of the Living God; the Holy God would be no object of joy to him. "Let us alone! What have we to do with thee?" is the sole thought and desire of unclean souls, even while they acknowledge His majesty. None but the holy can look upon the Holy One; without holiness no man can endure to see the Lord.

I know what heaven is like. It is a place where fruit trees give fruit every month, where the streets and palaces are lined with precious jewels and gold, a place of magic and wonder, a place where the poor and meek can finally win. A place from which to stare down at all of the powerful rulers on earth, those who have made our meek little existence as slaves and plebs, intollerable, a place, that if we just 'sign up today' can have for the low low price of our psychological sovereignty!

But the Armageddon is coming, so hurry in, stocks won't last!

[Godscreated]

I also love how GodsBrat writes what are obviously his OWN thoughts into his sig line, and then attributes them to his Imaginary Big Friend, as if this would make them any less silly and pretentious. It is quite obvious here, just who has fashioned whom in his own image.

What my own thoughts, child, Nietzsche been dead a long time, believe me that thought is not original to me and neither is the one about hell, you should get out a little, you might learn something.

[Epimethean]

I can attest to what GC says: Nothing put forward by him is original.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

I also love how GodsBrat writes what are obviously his OWN thoughts into his sig line, and then attributes them to his Imaginary Big Friend, as if this would make them any less silly and pretentious. It is quite obvious here, just who has fashioned whom in his own image.

What my own thoughts, child, Nietzsche been dead a long time, believe me that thought is not original to me and neither is the one about hell, you should get out a little, you might learn something.

Cute. I am fifty fucking years old, asshole. I see you refuse to admit your age. And whether those idiotic slogans are your own or not is irrelevant. You are spouting them and attributing them to your imaginary big friend, blatantly and obviously (and pathologically, mind you) fashioning your mythical deity in your own image.

[Godscreated]

What my own thoughts, child, Nietzsche been dead a long time, believe me that thought is not original to me and neither is the one about hell, you should get out a little, you might learn something.

Cute. I am fifty fucking years old, asshole. I see you refuse to admit your age. And whether those idiotic slogans are your own or not is irrelevant. You are spouting them and attributing them to your imaginary big friend, blatantly and obviously (and pathologically, mind you) fashioning your mythical deity in your own image.

Young'n you are a disgrace to your generation, my Big Friend fashions me into what He wants, you got this wrong too.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

Cute. I am fifty fucking years old, asshole. I see you refuse to admit your age. And whether those idiotic slogans are your own or not is irrelevant. You are spouting them and attributing them to your imaginary big friend, blatantly and obviously (and pathologically, mind you) fashioning your mythical deity in your own image.

Young'n you are a disgrace to your generation,

If you are older than me, I feel fucking sorry for you clinging to your childish superstitions. And my generation will be the one that proudly buries your childish superstitions for good and all and for the better of the human race.

my Big Friend fashions me into what He wants, you got this wrong too.

Yes, we can see how you pathologically fashion your imaginary friend to cater to your every whim. Too bad for you that no one is fooled by your silly bluffs. We all grew up and gave up superstition and childish fears. Sorry you didn't.

[michaelsherlock]

Young'n you are a disgrace to your generation,

If you are older than me, I feel fucking sorry for you clinging to your childish superstitions. And my generation will be the one that proudly buries your childish superstitions for good and all and for the better of the human race.

my Big Friend fashions me into what He wants, you got this wrong too.

Yes, we can see how you pathologically fashion your imaginary friend to cater to your every whim. Too bad for you that no one is fooled by your silly bluffs. We all grew up and gave up superstition and childish fears. Sorry you didn't.

I think somewhere deep down in the pits of his psyche, he knows this. He represses it, or if it surfaces, he has been taught to interpret it as unreasonable and diabolical, doubt! He is suffering. And I think Carl Jung summed up why:

"Neurosis is always a substitute for legitimate suffering"