Pat Robertson says it's ok to ignore parts of the Bible.

[Drich]

I cannot contain my rage. Excuse me, but slavery is wrong. ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Would you like to know why? Because NO ONE has the right to STEAL a person's life.

I know you can read otherwise how could you respond. So that either means you did not read the OT definition of a slave, or you simply are not able to comprehend or will not accept a definition of a slave that contradicts what you understand a slave to be.

May I suggest that you read what you are arguing against before you look any more foolish than you already do. For a slave is not always a man who has his life stolen. Men in those days sold themselves into slavery as a way to earn title, Lands, Commodities, live stock, Protection from outsiders, for themselves and their family. It was the only way a society had to compensate the lower classes for services rendered when coinage or a universal standard currency was scarce or simply not available. Slavery was a binding contract between a slave and a rich man. The slave sold years of service as a way to trade for things he did not have, or could not provide for his family.

That's so bucked in the head... I can't even begin to process that sick kind of Stockholm Syndrome you have.

Because you have closed your mind to a trigger word that the society you live in has universally condemned. Your are Ignoring all Historical and economic value this system of barter offered to Man. Thus ignoring all those who were slaves offered society.

People are not livestock.

Show me where I said that

You can't barter with human lives.

Are you employed?

That's unacceptable. If you love slavery so fucking much, maybe you should be a real slave. Don't worry, all the rules from the Bible would be followed.

I am

And you'll only lose all freedoms and personal choice for 6 years. No big. You might be forced to marry and have kids (and then leave them behind or be a slave forever), but who cares?! Slavery is fucking awesome!
You are filth. FILTH. But guess what? I still wouldn't wish the hell that is slavery on you. Develop some empathy, you sick prick.

I am one generation removed from the Modern understanding of the term. My Grandfather's family held very large farm land in Korea. When Japan invaded they took His families land and put him and all of his siblings to work farming the land (after killing his parents.) They produced alot of rice for the emperor's soldiers, but he lost several of his brothers to starvation.(They would produce tons of rice for Japan, but was left picking individual kernels off of the store house floors all the while careful not to pick too much or it would be taken and bagged and sent some place else. When He was old enough he was conscripted to fight in the emperors army. After the war He returned home only to find that another war was about to begin this time with China looking to take over. So He pack up the family and moved to the US with the help of a GI who just so happen to have a farm of his own that he "allowed" my Hab-bo-gee to work as a way to repay his debt till he stroked out in the field (in his 80's..) In a country where 5th and 6th generation descendants of slaves were still demanding compensation for what ancestors no one could name had to endure. No one seem to care that in certain parts of this very same country the same thing was going on, under a different name. that is the problem with labling slavery the way yoou have. Because if it is not a unpaid back man wearing tattered cloths picking cotton, You people do know what you are looking at. nor do any of you care unless someone challenges the self righteous attitude you have built around your understanding of this word.
I get what a slave is because I worked with this man saw the scars, the disfigurement from broken bones, the permanent bend in his back from constantly working the ground, the leathered brown skin, the permanent squint from being in the sun, the burned and recessed eyes. Even knowing this i welcome the slavery God offers, because His burden is easy and His yoke is light.

What your self righteous pride has you to fail to comprehend is that you are already a slave, and because you have swallowed the modern understanding of the term you do not know what one really is any more. Thus ensuring your eternal service to your hard master.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

I sincerely hope you are kidding.

remember Slavery in the OT is not what was being labeled as Slavery in America.
(Despite how some wish to trivialize and dismiss The Recorded Law of the OT Jew, and Historical facts about Pre civil war America.)
So why is biblically based slavery not always bad? Because, Biblically based slavery establishes the paradigm between believer and our Lord and Master. To understand How OT Jews were to treat their slaves is to understand how to balance this life with what is expected of us, Verses how it is we have been freed. Otherwise if you simply say all slavery is bad, then you simply give up one master for another (who's more oppressive than the last/Sin for Legalistic Religions of Man. Which have little to do with God.)

We are slaves to sin. the Majority of you who have any Christian experience i would say that ALL Slavery is Bad all of the time. Yet you only know of an oppressive God who's yoke is more oppressive than the sin you believe you can control. But the opposite is true. Because you believe that all Slavery is always bad none of you have learn to submit as a (OT) slave to God. It is only as a slave (God's definition of the word, not ours) that we will ever know true freedom. But because we are a slave to sin (and do not know it) we can only see the oppression of the religions that choose to represent God, and think they are one in the same. Why? Because we have taught ourselves to cast off all Masters, and by doings so have sold ourselves into true slavery.(But because you do not know what true slavery is you can not identify it) If you can not identify it you can not free yourself from it/sin (If you believe this to be false try living one day without sin) and you can not turn to God for help because you have mis identified Him as a Oppressive Master. Thus dooming you for an eternity, simply because you have closed your mind to a single word and it's true meaning.

1) I was under the impression that proselytizing was not allowed in this forum.

2) YOU MYTHICAL GOD FIGURE REFERENCES THE CASE OF A MAN SELLING HIS DAUGHTER INTO SLAVERY IN THE MATERIAL I QUOTED. This is not indentured servitude. You cannot dodge this with euivocal prestidigitation.

3. Your mythical god figure, made in your own image, would be just as much of a cunt as you are, if it existed. If you had any sense you would be humiliated.

[LastPoet]

Keep spinning Drich, any day now, you'll be writing your own bible. There really is no shame or honesty left in an apologist.

[Minimalist]

So that either means you did not read the OT definition of a slave, or you simply are not able to comprehend or will not accept a definition of a slave that contradicts what you understand a slave to be.

Or, it means that she doesn't give a flying fuck about your useless apology for slavery.

And neither do I, you twit.

[Justtristo]

Well here it is. Straight from the horse's mouth. Apparently, we can pick and choose parts of the Bible after all, says Pat Robertson. He says essentially our "moral sensibilities" have changed and we now know slavery is wrong.


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/pa...ut-slavery

Do you think that this could be evidence that the skeptics and/or atheists on the internet are having an effect?

I think Pat Robertson has become senile in his advanced age.

[KichigaiNeko]

And this Pat Robertson is someone of significance??

[Drich]

1) I was under the impression that proselytizing was not allowed in this forum.

Nothing said wasn't solicited a poster.
You want to know why Slavery is not 'all bad' in the context of the bible? Well it has to do with salvation.

2) YOU MYTHICAL GOD FIGURE REFERENCES THE CASE OF A MAN SELLING HIS DAUGHTER INTO SLAVERY IN THE MATERIAL I QUOTED. This is not indentured servitude. You cannot dodge this with euivocal prestidigitation.

But I can point to the reason for the slavery was not for the expressed purpose as a sex toy, as you would have everyone believe. For unattached unsanctioned sex was still a sin. Marriage was the reason for 'barter.' Something that still goes on today between certain families Today.

[frankiej]

But I can point to the reason for the slavery was not for the expressed purpose as a sex toy, as you would have everyone believe. For unattached unsanctioned sex was still a sin. Marriage was the reason for 'barter.' Something that still goes on today between certain families Today.

That doesn't make it right.

[Drich]

Keep spinning Drich, any day now, you'll be writing your own bible. There really is no shame or honesty left in an apologist.

What's been spun? The fact that modern soceity has rewritten biblical terms to mean evil and reched things so people who do not want anything to do with God feel they have the moral high ground, no moraly obligated to turn their backs on God??

If countering the culture's properganda is what you have identified as spinning, then know I hope to make it my life's work.

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And this Pat Robertson is someone of significance??

Not really, but the subject matter is.

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But I can point to the reason for the slavery was not for the expressed purpose as a sex toy, as you would have everyone believe. For unattached unsanctioned sex was still a sin. Marriage was the reason for 'barter.' Something that still goes on today between certain families Today.

That doesn't make it right.

Just because you would do it differently It doesn't make it wrong. Up until a 100 or so years ago marrying for 'love' was a fools sentiment reserved for the simply minded or the very poor. Without rules governing the 'trade' of women as brides all sorts of really bad things would have happened. that is why one of the rules stated that no one could be traded outside of the tribe/faith. Meaning all who were traded were subject to the rule and protection of God.

[Thor]

It's always amusing to watch believers defend the most absurd aspects of their religion.