Someone debate me

[Thor]

You would be amazed how prevalent this twisted attitude is:

[about a girl being born with mental disabilities]

This girl is like a leper so what she needs to do is try and find god

if she really believes she can be healed from this state, she will be healed from this state

Most afflictions like this are caused by sins committed while still inside the womb. If she can repent for what she does god will embrace her and make her as human as you or me but if she chooses not to she'll always be like this

god tests every one of us [emphasis added]

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=19388&Page=1

Emphasis as per original quote.

"Sins committed while still inside the womb"?

What kind of seriously screwed up mind comes up with dreck like this? And what kind of "sins" could someone possibly commit while in the womb? Talk about throwing reason out the window!

[Faith No More]

That is super fucked up.

[Jackalope]

That left super fucked up back at the station.

[Cyberman]

Are you an altar-boy because you love doing the Lord's work or do you just like getting diddled?

Nobody likes to be tricked or deceived but the church doesn't do that to anyone.

By "the church" I can only assume you mean the building, otherwise things like this would make you either deceiver or deceived:

Church of England Pays Out After Child Sex and Drug Abuse Scandal - Press Release

Makes a change from Ratzinger's mafia, I suppose, but those little white collars can't be accused of being untarnished.

[greneknight]

Nobody likes to be tricked or deceived but the church doesn't do that to anyone.

By "the church" I can only assume you mean the building, otherwise things like this would make you either deceiver or deceived:

Church of England Pays Out After Child Sex and Drug Abuse Scandal - Press Release

Makes a change from Ratzinger's mafia, I suppose, but those little white collars can't be accused of being untarnished.

Huge difference. Many churches have scandal of their own and that's natural. There's scandal everywhere. But only the RC church has a systemic coverup that extends to making the child victim swear an oath of secrecy on pain of excommunication and enjoining all parties to keep secret everything and not to report to the authorities.

[The Grand Nudger]

"Our pedo priests are better than (and somehow different from) their pedo priests."

"Our priest's mistreatment of their flock is better than (and somehow different from) their priest's mistreatment of their flock."

"Those other guys did worse."

[Cyberman]

Before we all get spiralling off down the Yellow Brick Road, let's just review:

... do you just like getting diddled?

the church doesn't do that to anyone.

[Quotes documented example of the church doing just that and by way of admission settling out of court]

Huge difference. Many churches have scandal of their own and that's natural. There's scandal everywhere. But only the RC church has a systemic coverup that extends to making the child victim swear an oath of secrecy on pain of excommunication and enjoining all parties to keep secret everything and not to report to the authorities.

Let's keep it in focus that we're not discussing whether there are coverups of abuse scandals, which I would hope we can all agree there are; the issue at hand is that such abuse takes place at all.

To put it another way:

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

I still find it suspicious that greneknight didn't answer the actual question. I didn't ask "Does the church building diddle you?"

I asked: "Do you LIKE getting diddled?"

Your silence on this question is very telling, my friend.

[greneknight]

Before we all get spiralling off down the Yellow Brick Road, let's just review:

... do you just like getting diddled?

the church doesn't do that to anyone.

[Quotes documented example of the church doing just that and by way of admission settling out of court]

Huge difference. Many churches have scandal of their own and that's natural. There's scandal everywhere. But only the RC church has a systemic coverup that extends to making the child victim swear an oath of secrecy on pain of excommunication and enjoining all parties to keep secret everything and not to report to the authorities.

Let's keep it in focus that we're not discussing whether there are coverups of abuse scandals, which I would hope we can all agree there are; the issue at hand is that such abuse takes place at all.

To put it another way:

That's not what I said. You must quote me in full and not cut up my single sentence and present only one portion. This is what I said:

"Nobody likes to be tricked or deceived but the church doesn't do that to anyone."

I thought he meant I liked to be deceived by the church. So I wrote that.

[Cyberman]

The reason I only presented the portion of your quote that I did was not out of any attempts to deliberately mislead but because I was under the impression that was the relevant portion. If I received or gave the wrong impression I apologise. I didn't realise you were being self-referential, since your reply looked to follow from the question of being "diddled", which in the context of its use appeared to refer to child molestation rather than in the sense of "fiddling" or "deceiving".

A case of cross-purposes, methinks.