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a question for atheists
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i cant prove it, nobody can, but i do feel free and not fooled by myself
i think that how i act depend on how i think not on how my molecules are organized and as i said i dont see the point of being conscious for the sake of being conscious if we are slave of the laws (plus if you think about it it is better for all the living things to have a god who create universe than to have universes that exist just because it work, i mean you can imagine universe that seriously look like hell) 
I started to reply that this was an argument from incredulity. However after reading it again I decided its just argument from dumb ass.
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 laurent Wrote:...but i do feel free and not fooled by myself. But don't you think that's exactly how you would feel if you were being fooled?
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RE: a question for atheists
August 5, 2012 at 3:28 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm)laurent Wrote: If our universe exist because he is consistent Not sure what you mean by this. Quote:we can imagine other universes with life being way more difficult Some of us can, absolutely. Quote:how lucky we are to be in our universe I wasn't aware that luck, except by clever turn of the phrase, had anything to do with that. What other universe would we be in? Quote:If everything is directed by the laws of our universe Directed is probably a poor choice of words, it carries baggage which does not apply. As far as we can tell, nothing is "directing" anything at all. Quote:we are just a bunch of organic robot being fooled Surely we aren't -just- that. You may be missing a few billion adjectives one might apply to the subject. Quote:we are fooled to be free Free from what? Fooled by whom or by what? Quote:fooled to live A large majority of that is on autopilot. No one has to trick you into breathing, for example. Quote:why are we even conscious? Offhand, because it's useful. Just taking a look at some of your other posts in this regard, specifically the notion that it doesn't "add anything". Really? Consciousness doesn't add anything? So, the fact that the large majority of dominant forms of life on this planet are all (to varying degrees) conscious creatures doesn't seem to suggest that consciousness might add something? Quote:we can imagine the same universe filled with the same but unconscious peoples We'd be playing fast and loose with the words conscious and peoples, sure, but we can imagine a great many things. If you meant that we can imagine the same rock (within this universe) filled with "less sentient" lifeforms, yeah, we can imagine that. Not only can we imagine it, it just so happened to be te case, once upon a time. And? Quote:yet we are all fooled Fooled about what, and by whom or what.......? Quote:whats the point? Strangely enough, I'm left asking myself the same at right about this point......
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(August 5, 2012 at 3:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I wasn't aware that luck, except by clever turn of the phrase, had anything to do with that. What other universe would we be in?you can imagine other consciousness living on planet which look like hell  Quote:Quote:If everything is directed by the laws of our universeDirected is probably a poor choice of words, it carries baggage which does not apply. As far as we can tell, nothing is "directing" anything at all. if we are entirely of flesh we obey entirely to the laws of nature so our freedom is just us being fooled because we dont see what influence us Quote:Offhand, because it's useful. Just taking a look at some of your other posts in this regard, specifically the notion that it doesn't "add anything". Really? Consciousness doesn't add anything? So, the fact that the large majority of dominant forms of life on this planet are all (to varying degrees) conscious creatures doesn't seem to suggest that consciousness might add something?actually you cant prove that other people are conscious, you can only know that you are conscious you are just assuming that they are conscious because they look like you Quote:Fooled about what, and by whom or what.......?fooled by ourself about our freedom  RE: a question for atheists
August 5, 2012 at 4:09 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2012 at 4:15 pm by Reforged.)
(August 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm)laurent Wrote: If our universe exist because he is consistent Assumptions from start to finish. Firstly I'm not sure if "he" is somehow personifying the universe or referring to a deity. If its the latter than that is an assumption for obvious reasons. You assume we are lucky without knowing the odds. You assume we know all the laws of the universe, we only know what applies to our very small part of it. You assume we are fooled. You assume there must be a point.
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