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IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
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RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
Exactly
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#52
RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
(November 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: You would praise the saving of one life when all could just as easily been saved?
How about starving nations? How about how we have a network channel dedicated to food while other nations don't even HAVE FOOD. Not being political, just saying that Christians believe its because god loves America.

All the greedy of the world are responsible for the starvation in this world not God, because you waste food at the dinner table you want to blame God, bear your guilt or do something about it. The government of the U.S. pays farmers not to produce food, yeah, mega farming companies get our tax dollars not to produce food, yet you would blame God. People in counties which have plenty waste food, enough every year to feed millions, yet you want to blame God. You little child, crying about what God should do, when are you going to grow up and do your part, actually shouldn't you be pointing a finger at yourself and all of mankind, you do not believe there's a God to help these nations, so why are you and your selfish atheist friends not working together to feed the hungry. As far as I can see from what you believe, you should be bashing yourself for the hungry, you are to greedy and lazy to do anything about it. As far as the Christian church goes we help more starving and sick people in the world and in our on little communities than all the atheist in the world. We educate people in other countries, we build them schools, hospitals and send medicine to help. You probably believe we stay holed-up in our buildings doing only for ourselves, wrong mister ignorant, the church does more for other nations than any other organization in the world, and no, we ask nothing in return. If the people whom we help want to hear about Christ we will talk with them, if they do not want to hear they are not forced. We let our actions speak about Christ and if anyone wants to know more we tell them.


SUVd Wrote:God is entertained by evil. God created evil. If I'm wrong, then tell me where evil came from.


Evil has always come from the heart (mind), evil was not created it's made by everyone. So where did you find in scripture God is entertained by evil, you do know the only place info like that can be found is scripture... no you probably don't, so you made it up to satisfy your own evil little heart. Can you answer my question or will you ignore it like the others.

SUVd Wrote:Adam and Eve were perfect and had to be tempted by satan to become evil, but who tempted satan???

No one, Lucifer allowed it to manifest in his heart until he acted upon it, please tell me you know what scripture tells us about Lucifer's fall, if you do not then why are you even in this discussion.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#53
RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
Quote:All the greedy of the world are responsible for the starvation in this world not God


Q. Why does not "god" kill the greedy?

A. Because he is either a prick or does not exist.
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#54
RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
(November 10, 2012 at 8:14 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(November 10, 2012 at 8:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: I noticed you conveniently ignored the one where the loving God saves a life, because of His love.

No, that was an error on my part; I emphasised both your examples but italicised the second one instead of underscoring. Thanks for alerting me to it so I could make the correction.

The point of that second example is not that this god saved your life out of love, but that it kills other people - allows them to die - merely to 'save' one. Sure screams 'love' to me.

Surely you're not serious, you want God to keep everyone alive, keep them from their sicknesses, help them out of every situation that would harm them, no wonder you argue against free will, you do not want it, you desire constant baby sitting. Don't worry in a few years you'll be sitting in your rocker strapped in and drooling on your little bib and getting your wrinkly old butt cleaned by your baby sitter. Yep, then your free will, will have disappeared.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#55
RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
Quote:All the greedy of the world are responsible for the starvation in this world not God

God chooses to make food a limited resource when he does not have to. If he could give every person all they could ever need, or even want, the starvation of a single person is a crime laid at his feet. The starvation of millions is just another facet of his desire for human suffering and death.

Quote:Yep, then your free will, will have disappeared.

Yet another example of a Christian blaming the victims and cheering the murderer.

If God is capable of anything, he could have given humanity free will AND total safety from all dangers. Don't try to sell us the horse shit of an omnipotent God and then cover for his shortcomings by placing limits on his ability to create the universe.
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RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
Gc Wrote:All the greedy of the world are responsible for the starvation in this world not God

Quote:God chooses to make food a limited resource when he does not have to. If he could give every person all they could ever need, or even want, the starvation of a single person is a crime laid at his feet. The starvation of millions is just another facet of his desire for human suffering and death.

You totally ignored all of what I stated, yes it's obvious you will eliminate truth to fit your crude and useless thoughts. This was answered in my reply to Spec-of-dust.

Gc Wrote:Yep, then your free will, will have disappeared.

Quote:Yet another example of a Christian blaming the victims and cheering the murderer.

If God is capable of anything, he could have given humanity free will AND total safety from all dangers. Don't try to sell us the horse shit of an omnipotent God and then cover for his shortcomings by placing limits on his ability to create the universe.

What does omnipotence have to do with creating two opposing ideas, it can not be both ways. If you can't see this, then you need to sharpen your reasoning skills. Man makes evil and sin, so why should God protect you from it. I bet that's the way you must feel about your parents for not following your diapered little bottom around and saving you from your bumps and bruises. Sin brought dangers into the world and I believe God has left them here to remind us of what we have done.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#57
RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
Man did not make sin and evil, or he would be a creator. Man only "embraced" it. "Satan allowed evil to manifest in his heart." So by allowing it he had control. He created it. He is a creator

Besides that not really how manifestation works. The evil would have manifested into evil deeds would be more precise.
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RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
(November 12, 2012 at 2:24 am)Godschild Wrote: All the greedy of the world are responsible for the starvation in this world not God, because you waste food at the dinner table you want to blame God, bear your guilt or do something about it.
Unfortunately I can't quite throw my scraps to Uganda...I'm lucky if I hit the trash can. But that's not really what people who are starving need...the scraps of others.

Quote:The government of the U.S. pays farmers not to produce food, yeah, mega farming companies get our tax dollars not to produce food, yet you would blame God.
So that we might avoid starving....you didn't think that there was something intrinsically different in our situations without reference to the strategies we've developed did you? I personally wouldn't blame god, no, because the god you're referring to is a joke. Life is unfair, resources have been allocated disproportionately, and this had nothing to do with either god or man, in truth.

Quote:People in counties which have plenty waste food, enough every year to feed millions, yet you want to blame God. You little child, crying about what God should do,
"god please save me from myself"..lol, pot meet kettle.

Quote: when are you going to grow up and do your part, actually shouldn't you be pointing a finger at yourself and all of mankind, you do not believe there's a God to help these nations, so why are you and your selfish atheist friends not working together to feed the hungry.

We do, nitwit. Not that dropping scraps from our table helps much.

Quote:As far as I can see from what you believe, you should be bashing yourself for the hungry, you are to greedy and lazy to do anything about it. As far as the Christian church goes we help more starving and sick people in the world and in our on little communities than all the atheist in the world.
So long as they drink the koolaid, sure.

Quote: We educate people in other countries
Because reasonable people would prefer that you did not "educate" them here.

Quote:, we build them schools,
See above.

Quote: hospitals and send medicine to help.
Strange then, that they're still in such a shitty situation, isn't it?

Quote:You probably believe we stay holed-up in our buildings doing only for ourselves,
You, as in christians? Yeah, actually I do think that. Churches don't exactly lose money..lol, growth industry and all.

Quote:wrong mister ignorant, the church does more for other nations than any other organization in the world, and no, we ask nothing in return.
LOL, no, it doesn't. You're confusing the USAID budget with a religious organization it seems. Religious organizations contribute a fraction of the aid tossed out by the US alone. I want to mention that it isn't even the largest fraction in the private sector. But somebody probably told you that it was while they passed around the collection plate. Congratulations, you're a mark.

Quote: If the people whom we help want to hear about Christ we will talk with them, if they do not want to hear they are not forced.
I think they'd rather hear bout the food, but a constant complaint is that "you" actually do force your gibberish on them...in return for food.

Quote:We let our actions speak about Christ and if anyone wants to know more we tell them.
I wouldn't disagree with that, just like your actions here speak about "christ".

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RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
(November 12, 2012 at 2:33 am)Godschild Wrote: Surely you're not serious, you want God to keep everyone alive, keep them from their sicknesses, help them out of every situation that would harm them, no wonder you argue against free will, you do not want it, you desire constant baby sitting. Don't worry in a few years you'll be sitting in your rocker strapped in and drooling on your little bib and getting your wrinkly old butt cleaned by your baby sitter. Yep, then your free will, will have disappeared.

I can see it now. Just before being crushed by thousands of pounds of steel, the very last thought going through the accident victims' minds was, "At least God didn't take my free will!"
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#60
RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
Not to mention, most people would freely will themselves to live. It is god that would not
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