Permanent omnipotence?

[Godscreated]

He did in Jesus, the Son chose to give up His power, see what you missed by not reading the Bible.

So...walking on water, multiplying bread and fishes, ressurecting the dead, ressurecting himself...yeah he sure was powerless. Maybe he just chose not to exert his power all of the time as the son. Jesus's personality is so different from Yahweh's...how again are they both the same being?

You're not very well versed in scripture are you, if you were you would know how Jesus preformed those miracles. Hint it is because they are the same Jesus was able to do those miracles.

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Maybe because Jesus isn't powerless he just isn't omnipotent. And maybe his personality is different because God has an infinite personality or something.

Which includes pure evil? Then that would make god morally neutral; infinite everything would lead to a lot of traits cancelling each other out, unless we mean only positive things (read: heat, not cold because cold is only the lack of heat). But even then, infinite malice vs. infinite altruism? Neither is simply the lack of the other so...

You're so intent on making God evil please prove it, since there is no other place to find out about God you will need to go to scripture and within them you will have to show where it says God is evil. If you can not do so then speculation is all you have, coming from you speculation means no more than .... well useless.

[Kousbroek]

You're so intent on making God evil please prove it ...

God isn't evil, god doesn't exist.

What bothers me is what your friend in the sky story does to people....

" you will have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things." However, for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."

S. Weinberg.

[Darkstar]

So...walking on water, multiplying bread and fishes, ressurecting the dead, ressurecting himself...yeah he sure was powerless. Maybe he just chose not to exert his power all of the time as the son. Jesus's personality is so different from Yahweh's...how again are they both the same being?

You're not very well versed in scripture are you, if you were you would know how Jesus preformed those miracles. Hint it is because they are the same Jesus was able to do those miracles.

I asked how they could be the same being when they had seemingly different personalities and seperate knowledge from each other.

Which includes pure evil? Then that would make god morally neutral; infinite everything would lead to a lot of traits cancelling each other out, unless we mean only positive things (read: heat, not cold because cold is only the lack of heat). But even then, infinite malice vs. infinite altruism? Neither is simply the lack of the other so...

You're so intent on making God evil please prove it, since there is no other place to find out about God you will need to go to scripture and within them you will have to show where it says God is evil. If you can not do so then speculation is all you have, coming from you speculation means no more than .... well useless.

Do you mean that the bible has to explicitly say "god is evil" word for word, or can we draw the conclusion that he is a fearmongering tyrant from passages like these:

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Numbers 15:32-36

The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death

32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.

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Hosea 13:16

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”[a]

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Exodus 20:4-5

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

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and others.
Oh, and basically the whole book of Job.

[Angrboda]

You're so intent on making God evil please prove it, since there is no other place to find out about God you will need to go to scripture and within them you will have to show where it says God is evil. If you can not do so then speculation is all you have, coming from you speculation means no more than .... well useless.

William Paley and many theologians would disagree. You would not be where you are without many additions, from Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas. I love the arrogance of conservative Protestantism, to believe they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and the bible, when both come to them by the handmaiden of tradition. Protestantism is such a stupid faith.

"Is the whole of the bible not the name of God? Surely God does not rest nestled inside this, that or another bunch of words. So is not the whole of the bible then in fact not the name of God? How does this or that corpus of the holy word not itself not be simply another nestling of words? Is not then the universe also a part of the true name of God? And yet there are also things of which, exist in the minds of men that do not exist in the world. Are these too, a further rippling outward of the necessity in naming God? And what of that which does not exist? Is its not existing also not a fact of God?"

- apo/rae/ras


"The continually progressive change to which the meaning of words is subject, the want of a universal language which renders translation necessary, the errors to which translations are again subject, the mistakes of copyists and printers, together with the possibility of willful alteration, are of themselves evidences that the human language, whether in speech or in print, cannot be the vehicle of the Word of God. The Word of God exists in something else."

- Thomas Paine


"The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ leveled to every understanding, and too plain to need explanation, saw in the mysticisms of Plato materials with which they might build up an artificial system, which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order and introduce it to profit, power and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."

- Thomas Jefferson

Woven into the immense tapestry of Judaic story and lore, peopled as it is by vast branching histories of families, kings and nations and by the fierce dramas of war and passion and the thundering justice of God, there exists, as it were, one quaint and tender image whose great importance may easily be overlooked.

Two men, one young and the other old, are facing each other. The younger man is balancing himself on one leg. The other, whom we may picture wearing a modest skullcap, holds his right hand over his heart and halfway extends his left hand, palm down, toward the first man.

The older man is Hillel the Elder, greatest of the rabbinic patriarchs. The place is Jerusalem, sometime in the forty-year period between 30 BC and 10 AD - during the reign of the hated Herod the Great and his son Herod Antipas.

The story in question is from the Talmud and is given there in very few words:

A man approaches Hillel in a nervously defiant attitude. "I will embrace Judaism," he says, "on the condition that you can teach me the whole of the Torah while I am standing on one foot."

Straightaway, Hillel replies: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah. All the rest is commentary. Now, go and study."

(I believe this retelling is from Bart Ehrman, Satan incarnate to Christians of Godschild's ilk. Odd, Godschild's name has no apostrophy; apparently he is the product of multiple gods, a holy chimera, as it were.)

[Godscreated]

You're not very well versed in scripture are you, if you were you would know how Jesus preformed those miracles. Hint: it is because they are the same Jesus was able to do those miracles.

I asked how they could be the same being when they had seemingly different personalities and seperate knowledge from each other.

They do not and can not have different personalities, they are one and the same, you really do need to read and study scripture, your ignorance of it tries me. I actually answered this question above.

You're so intent on making God evil please prove it, since there is no other place to find out about God you will need to go to scripture and within them you will have to show where it says God is evil. If you can not do so then speculation is all you have, coming from you speculation means no more than .... well useless.

Do you mean that the bible has to explicitly say "god is evil" word for word, or can we draw the conclusion that he is a fearmongering tyrant from passages like these:

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Numbers 15:32-36

The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death

32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.

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Hosea 13:16

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”[a]

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Exodus 20:4-5

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

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and others.
Oh, and basically the whole book of Job.

You are supposing you have the authority to judge God, the very God who gave you your life. The answer to the question I asked can be found in scripture, so are you going to answer or not, tell me.

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You're so intent on making God evil please prove it ...

God isn't evil, god doesn't exist.

You made the statement now prove it, do not come back and say it's up to me to prove God, I can not to the blind, besides I didnot make the above statement.

[Darkstar]

They do not and can not have different personalities, they are one and the same, you really do need to read and study scripture, your ignorance of it tries me. I actually answered this question above.

Why is Jesus so peaceful, and Yahweh so homicidal, then?

Do you mean that the bible has to explicitly say "god is evil" word for word, or can we draw the conclusion that he is a fearmongering tyrant from passages like these:

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Numbers 15:32-36

The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death

32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.

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Hosea 13:16

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”[a]

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Exodus 20:4-5

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

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and others.
Oh, and basically the whole book of Job.

You are supposing you have the authority to judge God, the very God who gave you your life. The answer to the question I asked can be found in scripture, so are you going to answer or not, tell me.

So you won't answer? I knew you would say this, though. It is really the only thing that one can do in this situation, other than admitting defeat; avoid the question. You assume that god, if he existed, would necessarily be a perfectly moral being. He might not be, but you refuse to objectively consider his actions, simply saying that it isn't allowed. If you wish to continue this line of reasoning, then we should just move to another point instead. Also, god, even if he does exist, did not create me. He created Adam, Eve, and the first animals. That's it, only two humans.

[Cato]

They do not and can not have different personalities, they are one and the same, you really do need to read and study scripture, your ignorance of it tries me. I actually answered this question above.

Thanks GC. I now know that Jesus loves the smell of burning flesh, genocide, taking adolescent virgins as war trophies, and foreskin as much as his dad did. I concluded differently from just reading the bible a couple times, but with your ability to actually 'study' the bible and share I now know that Jesus was every bit the cunt that his dad was. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Darkstar]

Or maybe god is just insane and has multiple personalities...

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[Adjusted Sanity]

I don't believe in omnipotence. God might have been a really powerful alien or some shit if he existed. then he died at some point, but the damage was already done.

[Minimalist]

You're not very well versed in scripture are you,

The educated rarely are, G-C. That shit is for dorks like you.