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Assange: Refugee or Fugitive?
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 (December 9, 2012 at 5:00 am)Daniel Wrote: I don't care whether it's the law or not, having consensual sex with another adult is not an offence in my view, or in just about anyone else's view. So falls your argument. In the real world, away from your views, laws are there to be obeyed and not ignored if you think the law is wrong.  
Assange has no problem with going to Sweden to face the charges against him. He's said this on multiple occasions. What he has a problem with is the refusal by Swedish authorities to guarantee that he wouldn't be extradited to the US upon arrival.
IMO, the refusal to make such a simple guarantee indicates that there is something more going on here. Whatever anyone thinks about Assange's work, this sort of thing is very shady. RE: Assange: Refugee or Fugitive?
December 9, 2012 at 10:02 am
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2012 at 10:08 am by Something completely different.)
Since when does a sovereign country owe a garantee to a non citizen???????? It is the other way arround, a non citizen owes a sovereign country the garante to obay the laws of that sovereign country, and if that non citizen does not - he or she has to face the consequences.
Fact is: The Kingdom of Sweden as almoust every other country within Europe, does not extradite people who face the death penalty in countries who`s prosecution system wants to put them on trial. Why? Because it is bound by European law and by the european high court of human rights to do so!!!!! Nothing, absolutly nothing shady about it. Only for people who interpret their fantasies of world conspiracy into it. And further more: Quote:It would not be legally possible for Swedish government to give any guarantee about a future extradition, and nor would it have any binding effect on the Swedish legal system in the event of a future extradition request. Quote:Also Sweden (like the United Kingdom) is bound by EU and ECHR law not to extradite in circumstances where there is any risk of the death penalty or torture. There would be no extradition to the United States in such circumstances. Am I the only one here who actualy posts sources: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-...xtradition http://klamberg.blogspot.se/2012/08/extr...n.html?m=1 http://www.firmmagazine.com/features/117...on%3F.html
Sweden doesn't owe a guarantee to Assange, sure. What I find very telling however is that Assange has made it clear that if he were given the guarantee, he would go to Sweden willingly. Why haven't the Swedish authorities taken him up on that offer? Only one reason springs to mind...
Even if the guarantee isn't binding, it strikes me as odd that the Swedish haven't made one. Say they gave one to him, and he stayed true to his word and came to face the charges. Then, after he was acquitted, he is arrested and faced extradition to the US. He objects, saying he has a guarantee that this would not happen...the judge laughs and says that such a guarantee is not binding. He loses, Sweden wins. In all honesty, I think it is quite clear that the Swedish are refusing to cooperate because they have powerful people breathing down their necks. Someone wants Assange to go to jail.
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(I edited the post so maybe you didn`t notice) such a guarantee canot be given from a legal point. Sweden is bound by the European high court of justice, which is guarantee enought. Assange is a narzesist megalomeniac when he thinks that that guarantee is not enought.  RE: Assange: Refugee or Fugitive?
December 9, 2012 at 10:20 am
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2012 at 10:20 am by Something completely different.)
Yes. You are a conspiracy nutter.
I have given my sources to why Sweden will not extradite, and the reasons are clearly laid out on legal paper. And if your response is a "laws dont matter HAHAHAHAHAHAHA" and a doggy video......................... then blaaaaaaa.
It's not a dodgy video, it's a 4 Corners investigative program, produced by the ABC. Watch 41 minutes in and then tell me that Sweden doesn't extradite to the USA.
(December 9, 2012 at 10:10 am)Tiberius Wrote: Sweden doesn't owe a guarantee to Assange, sure. What I find very telling however is that Assange has made it clear that if he were given the guarantee, he would go to Sweden willingly. Why haven't the Swedish authorities taken him up on that offer? Only one reason springs to mind... Because they cannot guarentee that the US will not attempt to extradite him in the future. That is why. His demand is unrealistic and practically impossible. |
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