Evolution: Full of Fiction

[downbeatplumb]

Are you saying you are greater than allah?

[Creed of Heresy]

Failure of wit. Typical of a moron full of nothing but bluster and hot air. You cannot fail any harder.


Failure of wit. Typical of a moron full of nothing but bluster and hot air. You cannot fail any harder.

Also, I am a prophet. I predicted you would say "dummy." I am greater than Allah.

Response: Likewise.

Failure of wit. Typical of a moron full of nothing but bluster and hot air. You cannot fail any harder. Though I commend you for trying. Seriously, the "I know you are but what am I?" retort? Amazing, man. You are truly the master of fail.

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Are you saying you are greater than allah?

No, this is what he's saying:



And this is what he is doing.

[pocaracas]

This guy seems to have some problem focusing his attention.
So I'll feed him all the BS science has determined about life and it's evolution in one go.

FIRST: abiogenesis.
I'll borrow this

LIFE FROM NON-LIFE

RNA is the stuff that will make your god find the next hiding spot.

In a neat twist, Holliger's team also showed that tC19Z can make copies of another RNA enzyme, which then worked correctly. That suggests that, once the first self-replicating RNA had appeared, it would have been able to surround itself with additional molecular equipment, kick-starting the evolution of more complex life.

So abiogenesis seems to have some solid grounds.

After that, all DNA has to do is evolve, while providing a chemical blueprint to build an organism.
You said it yourself:

Response: Life forms evolve.....

The last step you seem to have a problem with is the evolution from primates to humans...

keep listening:




Do notice that it took several millions of years for humans to arise and current humans have been around only for some 100 thousand years... a lot more generations than our great-grandfathers...



Now, for the standard atheist response:

Secondly, YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THE AUTHORS OF YOUR SOURCES ARE SPEAKING TRUTHFULLY. So you are oly demonstrating that your logic stems from being brainwashed. You simply accept something as a scientific fact becaise it says so.

RESPONSE: Right back at you! Ditto! Likewise!
But change that "scientific" near the end by "deluded".

[FallentoReason]

HI AL-FATIHAH. THIS POST IS ADDRESSED TO YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

LIFE FROM NON-LIFE

RNA is the stuff that will make your god find the next hiding spot.

DNA is essential to almost all life on Earth, yet most biologists think that life began with RNA. Just like DNA, it stores genetic information. What's more, RNA can fold into complex shapes that can clamp onto other molecules and speed up chemical reactions, just like a protein, and it is structurally simpler than DNA, so might be easier to make.

It has the potential to do this:

In a neat twist, Holliger's team also showed that tC19Z can make copies of another RNA enzyme, which then worked correctly. That suggests that, once the first self-replicating RNA had appeared, it would have been able to surround itself with additional molecular equipment, kick-starting the evolution of more complex life.

And guess what...

After decades of trying, in 2009 researchers finally managed to generate RNA using chemicals that probably existed on the early Earth. Matthew Powner, now at University College London, and his colleagues synthesised two of the four nucleotides that make up RNA. Their achievement suggested that RNA may have formed spontaneously - powerful support for the idea that life began in an "RNA world".

Give it time and your arguments here will be effectively refuted by science -- AGAIN.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shorts...rna-e.html

http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/artic...tself.html

[Al-Fatihah]

This guy seems to have some problem focusing his attention.
So I'll feed him all the BS science has determined about life and it's evolution in one go.

FIRST: abiogenesis.
I'll borrow this

LIFE FROM NON-LIFE

RNA is the stuff that will make your god find the next hiding spot.

So abiogenesis seems to have some solid grounds.

After that, all DNA has to do is evolve, while providing a chemical blueprint to build an organism.
You said it yourself:

Response: Life forms evolve.....

The last step you seem to have a problem with is the evolution from primates to humans...

keep listening:




Do notice that it took several millions of years for humans to arise and current humans have been around only for some 100 thousand years... a lot more generations than our great-grandfathers...



Now, for the standard atheist response:

Secondly, YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THE AUTHORS OF YOUR SOURCES ARE SPEAKING TRUTHFULLY. So you are oly demonstrating that your logic stems from being brainwashed. You simply accept something as a scientific fact becaise it says so.

RESPONSE: Right back at you! Ditto! Likewise!
But change that "scientific" near the end by "deluded".

Response: This can be refuted with the slightest of eaze.

We know for a fact that unintelligence cannot originate intelligence, for the very definition of the word says so.

We can see for a fact that creation by chance causes disorder, for if you tried to draw a self-painting of your own face by throwing a bucket of paint on the wall, making no choice as to where the paint aligns on the paper, the result would be a complete mess and look nothing like you.

We can see as a fact that unintelligence cannot originate a simple pattern that repeats itself, as evidenced by the fact that neither a dead body or new born can draw a simple checkerboard pattern.

Therefore, since these instances hold as true, then that proves that evolution is false, since it's based on the idiocy that unintelligence and chance caused the creation of order and intelligence. Debunked as usual.

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HI AL-FATIHAH. THIS POST IS ADDRESSED TO YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

LIFE FROM NON-LIFE

RNA is the stuff that will make your god find the next hiding spot.


It has the potential to do this:


And guess what...


Give it time and your arguments here will be effectively refuted by science -- AGAIN.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shorts...rna-e.html

http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/artic...tself.html

Response: Hello FallentoReason,

Unfortunately, your argument does not hold. For you are showing examples of creation evolving into another creation or form. Even if we accept such as true, that does not answer the question as to where creation originated from, whether intelligent design, or not.

Using your same logic, I can present evidence of unintelligence lacking the ability to create a pattern that repeats itself, such as the inability of dead body or new born creating a simple checkerboard pattern. As such, since there are examples of unintelligence and chance being unable to create order or intelligence, then you have no logical reasoning to conclude that even your evidence comes from it, and can only come from intelligent design. Thus evolution is false.

[Something completely different]

Response: This can be refuted with the slightest of eaze.

We know for a fact that unintelligence cannot originate intelligence, for the very definition of the word says so.

No it doesnt.

First of, define intelligence.

And most importent define "unintelligence". What word is that? I dont think it even exists in the english language! Stupid is the term usualy used!

Inteligence in the sence of: instincts and subconciousness can evolve and addapt towards it`s surroundings, we have seen this in various examples.
If we couldn`t evolve to have new instincts we would still migrate towards the south during the winter. And our ancestors couldn`t have addapted their behavior towards the dangers within a constantly changing inviorment.

And concious inteligence or intelectual capabilities can evolve out of "uninteligence" or how inteligent people call it: stupidity.

The process behind that is called: "learning"

and maybe you should give it a try.

If you ask what the origin of conciousness is, well I dont know, exactly aswell as I dont know what the origin of life and the universe is.
But at least I am ready to acknowlege that I dont know, instead of mumbling "god did it" and moving back into a cave.
That gives me the possibility to fint out in the future.

We can see for a fact that creation by chance causes disorder, for if you tried to draw a self-painting of your own face by throwing a bucket of paint on the wall, making no choice as to where the paint aligns on the paper, the result would be a complete mess and look nothing like you.

Strawman!

The painting methaphore you may shove back into the part of the anatomy you got it from.

Evolution is not centered arround chance, species adapt specificaly to fit better in their surroundings to be capable of better survival.

We can see as a fact that unintelligence cannot originate a simple pattern that repeats itself, as evidenced by the fact that neither a dead body or new born can draw a simple checkerboard pattern.

Again define "uninteligince" and inteligence.

Instincts can evovle.
The origin of the conciousness is what is unknow.
And that means UNKNOWN
Which doesn`t mean "god masturabated it" as people who are uncapable of questioning for the reasons of things like you think it is.

Therefore, since these instances hold as true, then that proves that evolution is false, since it's based on the idiocy that unintelligence and chance caused the creation of order and intelligence. Debunked as usual.

This babble can go right into the trashcan or maybe even the hall of shame.

I debunked your chance and "uninteligence" nonsence.
Now would you finaly bring up an actual argument from your high throne of ignorance !

[Al-Fatihah]

No it doesnt.

First of, define intelligence.

And most importent define "unintelligence". What word is that? I dont think it even exists in the english language! Stupid is the term usualy used!

Inteligence in the sence of: instincts and subconciousness can evolve and addapt towards it`s surroundings, we have seen this in various examples.
If we couldn`t evolve to have new instincts we would still migrate towards the south during the winter. And our ancestors couldn`t have addapted their behavior towards the dangers within a constantly changing inviorment.

And concious inteligence or intelectual capabilities can evolve out of "uninteligence" or how inteligent people call it: stupidity.

The process behind that is called: "learning"

and maybe you should give it a try.

If you ask what the origin of conciousness is, well I dont know, exactly aswell as I dont know what the origin of life and the universe is.
But at least I am ready to acknowlege that I dont know, instead of mumbling "god did it" and moving back into a cave.
That gives me the possibility to fint out in the future.

Response: I don't need to define intelligence. That's what a dictionary is for. The very definition of unintelligence is the inability to learn and comprehend. So the very definition does prove that unintelligence cannot create intelligence, for you can't bring into existence what you don't have. Debunked as usual.

Strawman!

The painting methaphore you may shove back into the part of the anatomy you got it from.

Evolution is not centered arround chance, species adapt specificaly to fit better in their surroundings to be capable of better survival.



Again define "uninteligince" and inteligence.

Instincts can evovle.
The origin of the conciousness is what is unknow.
And that means UNKNOWN
Which doesn`t mean "god masturabated it" as people who are uncapable of questioning for the reasons of things like you think it is.

Response: Evolution is centered by chance, as it does not include the concept of creation origination by intelligent design. So you can take your weak rebuttal back to the descending tree swinging acestors you got it from.

This babble can go right into the trashcan or maybe even the hall of shame.

I debunked your chance and "uninteligence" nonsence.
Now would you finaly bring up an actual argument from your high throne of ignorance !

Response: Yet you failed to provide from any dictionary that the definition of unintelligence provided is wrong, thus exposing and debunking yourself as usual. Thanks for the assistance.

[Something completely different]

You didn`t provide your definition of the word "inteligence" neigther for the "word": "uninteligence".

You simply spoke down from your high thrown of ignorance, babbling up some nonsence and completly ignoring everything I wrote in the previous post.


I conclude, just like in the last monstrosity of a mutated freak thread you opened:

"You are not worth the time, which I could use for something else."

Answere my questions! Provide counter arguments!



If you cannot, I will not responde and appeal to the other forum members that they dont feed the void of infinite stupidity and ignorance which you are with more of their precious attention.

[The Grand Nudger]

Clearly unintelligent things can arise from intelligent things.................

What do you have against monkeys btw? Bad experience at the zoo or something? Steal your popcorn, pelt you with feces?

[Creed of Heresy]

You keep using the word "fact" and "debunked."

I get the impression you don't actually know what either of those words mean. Allow me to dictionary your ass.

Fact:
fact
 
fact
[fakt] Show IPA
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law. . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.

Debunk: to expose or excoriate (a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc.) as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated: to debunk advertising slogans.

You have shown no facts, and you haven't debunked anything. You have, instead, stated your baseless opinions and then proceeded to claim them as irrefutable truth. Unfortunately for you, claiming fact doesn't make it true; it just makes it a claim.

And since you yourself have provided no evidence, when we have supplied tons of evidence, and we can dismiss that which has no evidence without evidence...I dismiss your claims ubiquitously, immediately, and without thought, though certainly with a touch of righteous, moral outrage every time you put yourself on a pedestal you do not deserve to stand upon.

Now, if you have no interest in actually hearing a discussion and you simple wish to be a contrarian who naysays everything without ever actually considering anything posited to him, I have to ask why are you here? And for that matter, why do you copypaste the same responses? Are you really so unoriginal? Or...is it like I've suggested, and you're actually a troll?

More importantly, those who come to debate typically utilize facts, reason, logic, known information and discerned observations. Even the Christians tend to bring in some studied knowledge. You, on the other hand, are simply saying "Nope! Nope! Didn't happen, nuh-uh!"

I have to wonder, do you REALLY lack a life this much? To the point where you come to debate...without actually debating?? I mean, I spend an inordinate amount of time on here when I'm not out at a nightclub or hanging out with my room-mates, but it's for the intellectual stimulation, for hearing and considering other viewpoints other than my own. Are you REALLY so dense and so arrogantly ignorant that you don't even bother to consider other viewpoints? Because so far, all information points to the answer being a resounding "YES!" You dismiss claims brought up with links showing tons of evidence...clearly showing that you've actually never bothered to read the links, even though you sit here demanding evidence.

You're a troll. Just admit it. Your cover's been blown. Either that or you're a useless waste of time...same thing, actually, but at least trolls have the benefit of revealing themselves so everyone can have a massive laugh at how fucking ridiculous the entire thing was.