The Moon is Not Real

[Retorth]

So in your words, by knowing "a lot" of members, you automatically associate the entire population of it's members that range in the tens of thousands (and around the world too I might add) by these few that you know of? I see...

[fr0d0]

Indeed I do. I know for a fact that members join those organisations to 'get in' with powerful people and to join the 'elite'. It's plainly obvious.

[Giff]

As I have said in another thread. My grand dad was a member of freemason linked group called Sirius Orden and he wasn's specially selfish. I also don't think he was trying to be part of the elite or anything. I don't what he did or what the organization did. But I regard them as harmless.

[Retorth]

Indeed I do. I know for a fact that members join those organisations to 'get in' with powerful people and to join the 'elite'. It's plainly obvious.

How can you know that for a fact, exactly? They number in the tens of thousands, my friend. And if you want to take that stand, I could easily say all Christians join merely because they are afraid to go to hell. They learn of the threat of god and accept him into their lives just so they can go to a magical place called heaven

[fr0d0]

I don't Giff... seriously. Members share privileged information to give them an advantage. Show a secret sign and you can get jobs, deals, access... over other people more deserving than you.. just because you're in the club. This just disgusts me and I actively oppose/ boycott it if I see it. It's evil.

[dry land fish]

There are tons of rumours about the masons and usually none are true. They really are a secret society and even being married to one I have no idea what he does. No one unless they are a mason can possibly know about their organization. The shows on tv give false information...or that's what my husband says. I know they don't worship Satan and they don't control politics or the world. Get over it conspiracy theorists...it's just not true.

I don't know about the "elite" thing. We are no more "elite" than we were before he joined. I haven't noticed any large sum of money just appearing in my bank account. I do know that he got out of getting a speeding ticket because he had a mason symbol on his car and the police officer was also a mason. We can go to his mason friends that provide services to the community and get a good deal if we need them for something. Other than that I haven't noticed anything that even suggests that someone gets a free ride after joining the organization.

[Tiberius]

I do know that he got out of getting a speeding ticket because he had a mason symbol on his car and the police officer was also a mason.

I don't oppose your husband being a mason, but this is something I do oppose. The law is there to keep people safe, and a police officer should punish anyone who breaks the law, whether it be their mother, sister, or member of a secret society.

[dry land fish]

I don't Giff... seriously. Members share privileged information to give them an advantage. Show a secret sign and you can get jobs, deals, access... over other people more deserving than you.. just because you're in the club. This just disgusts me and I actively oppose/ boycott it if I see it. It's evil.

That is true sometimes. Masons help eachother out in that way. Now with some jobs that just can't happen because in some businesses it's not just one person who does the hiring. Like with where I work all of the managers have to agree to hire someone and not just one of them. Same goes with promotions. You can get good deals as I mentioned earlier if you know someone who provides a service. We could go rent a better house since one of my husbands friends rents. He also did some plumbing work for us free of charge once because he's a licensed plumber. I think one of their rules is that you always help out another mason. One of the cool things I think they do is that they rely on charity. Every now and then my husband gives a couple hundred dollars to one of his lodges as a donation. They donation goes to the masons who are sick and need it for bills. Also they have a place for familes of dead masons where you can actually live in a community that is completely paid for by those charitable donations. Also, the masons run Shriners hospitals and do a lot of good things there. All of this is possible through charitable donations...not taxes.

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I do know that he got out of getting a speeding ticket because he had a mason symbol on his car and the police officer was also a mason.

I don't oppose your husband being a mason, but this is something I do oppose. The law is there to keep people safe, and a police officer should punish anyone who breaks the law, whether it be their mother, sister, or member of a secret society.

Yeah it should be that way but each individual officer can decide whether or not to give a ticket to someone. I have gotten out of tickets because I knew someone before. I think everyone just about has been given a break by a cop once or twice. He was speeding on a limited access highway...it's not like he was stealing anything. The speed limit was 65 and he was doing around 80. No one was in danger of being harmed by anything he was doing. Basically in my state tickets are given to increase revenue. Usually at the beginning of the month you don't see many police officers waiting for speeders. Around the end of the month you see them because they have to meet quota for that month. Speeding tickets is one of the easiest ways of making a lot of money fast. Court costs are usually a couple hundred and your ticket is only around thirty dollars. It's a money making scheme.

[fr0d0]

There are tons of rumours about the masons and usually none are true. They really are a secret society and even being married to one I have no idea what he does.

What complete bollocks. You are the biggest hypocrite I've ever come across. Oh yeah you disagree with giving handouts to slackers but then your fukking other half giving generously to charity is perfectly ok Besides the fact that the reason he does this is to make his way further up the ass of his fellow business contacts/ masons.

I am no conspiracy theorist. I know masons and know what goes on from what they tell me. There's a lodge around the corner from where I live and the local jeweller is a Mason. Check out his shop for masonic paraphernalia to get you noticed and books on it - no need to stay ignorant DLF.

Other than that I haven't noticed anything that even suggests that someone gets a free ride after joining the organization.

Except the other examples you then give. Wake up DLF. Seriously.

[Tiberius]

What complete bollocks. You are the biggest hypocrite I've ever come across. Oh yeah you disagree with giving handouts to slackers but then your fukking other half giving generously to charity is perfectly ok

Evidently you haven't read a Libertarian manifesto. We seek to remove welfare and encourage public charity instead. The government should have no responsibility in giving money to people who refuse to work.