Detoxification of Heavy Metals

[thesummerqueen]

Fallen - many illnesses have similar symptoms. That's why it's important to look at all the possible causes related to those symptoms and not just test for one thing, even if many people claim to have it.

I know many people who go on juice fasts to "jump start" new diets in order to rid themselves of the "toxins" from whatever junk they had been eating ... something your body will gladly do for you in a few hours anyway, and you could save yourself a weekend or week of hunger by simply making your next meal more healthy and getting to the gym as soon as possible.

[Angrboda]

From the detoxification therapies entry in The Skeptic's Dictionary

It's an irrational concept, yet an intriguing idea, that modern life so fills us with poisons from polluted air and food additives
that we need to be periodically "cleaned out" ("detoxified"). Never mind that natural chemicals in our foods are thousands
of times more potent than additives, or that most Americans are healthier, live longer, and can choose from the most healthful
food supply ever available.
— Frances M. Berg, M.S.

Real detoxification of foreign substances takes place in the liver, which modifies their chemical structure so they can be excreted
by the kidneys which filter them from the blood into the urine.
— Stephen Barrett, M.D.

"Toxin" is classic pseudoscience terminology.
— Ben Goldacre, M.D.

"...these detox programs amount to a large quantity of excrement, both literally and figuratively.”
— Peter Pressman, M.D.

Outside of being treated for poisoning or certain kinds of addiction, the word 'detox' has no meaning, according to a pamphlet published by a group of thirty-six people calling itself Sense About Science (SAS). (A summary of the group's findings may be found on their .) There are thousands of products that use the claim of detoxification as their main selling point. SAS investigated 15 representative products and found that none of the products identified a single toxic substance as one their product removed, none of the manufacturers of the products could provide compelling scientific evidence that the product removes toxic substances, none of the sellers had a clue what the products actually do, and nobody involved in making or selling these detox products could provide a comprehensive definition of 'detox.'

[Jackalope]

"Fifty years ago the hydrogen bond angle in water was 108° and you rarely heard of
anyone with cancer. Today, it's only 104° and, as a result, cancer is an epidemic!! By
using our machine you can increase the bond angle to 114° and, unlike any other water,
doctors can see an immediate change in the red blood cells under a microscope!
It's truly amazing!!"

I can't even begin to count the number of things wrong with that quote.

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Fallen - many illnesses have similar symptoms. That's why it's important to look at all the possible causes related to those symptoms and not just test for one thing, even if many people claim to have it.

Pretty much this. Don't try to self-diagnose, and let a good diagnostician follow the symptoms. You need a doc you can trust, and yeah, I know that can be hard to find.

[John V]

From the detoxification therapies entry in The Skeptic's Dictionary

It's an irrational concept, yet an intriguing idea, that modern life so fills us with poisons from polluted air and food additives
that we need to be periodically "cleaned out" ("detoxified"). Never mind that natural chemicals in our foods are thousands
of times more potent than additives, or that most Americans are healthier, live longer, and can choose from the most healthful
food supply ever available.
— Frances M. Berg, M.S.

Real detoxification of foreign substances takes place in the liver, which modifies their chemical structure so they can be excreted
by the kidneys which filter them from the blood into the urine.
— Stephen Barrett, M.D.

"Toxin" is classic pseudoscience terminology.
— Ben Goldacre, M.D.

"...these detox programs amount to a large quantity of excrement, both literally and figuratively.”
— Peter Pressman, M.D.

Outside of being treated for poisoning or certain kinds of addiction, the word 'detox' has no meaning, according to a pamphlet published by a group of thirty-six people calling itself Sense About Science (SAS). (A summary of the group's findings may be found on their .) There are thousands of products that use the claim of detoxification as their main selling point. SAS investigated 15 representative products and found that none of the products identified a single toxic substance as one their product removed, none of the manufacturers of the products could provide compelling scientific evidence that the product removes toxic substances, none of the sellers had a clue what the products actually do, and nobody involved in making or selling these detox products could provide a comprehensive definition of 'detox.'

Oh snap, I was asked for scientific evidence - I didn't think quoting stuff off the internet counted!

Since it apparently does, here are some articles on fasting by a practicing MD.

Scientific Basis For Juice Fasting

Juice Fasting Therapy

History Of Fasting

And from another good site:

How TO Juice Fast

Juicing: Hows and Whys

[Rayaan]

Routine Periodic Fasting Is Good for Your Health, and Your Heart, Study Suggests

May 20, 2011 — Fasting has long been associated with religious rituals, diets, and political protests. Now new evidence from cardiac researchers at the Intermountain Medical Center Heart Institute demonstrates that routine periodic fasting is also good for your health, and your heart.

Research cardiologists at the Intermountain Medical Center Heart Institute are reporting that fasting not only lowers one's risk of coronary artery disease and diabetes, but also causes significant changes in a person's blood cholesterol levels. Both diabetes and elevated cholesterol are known risk factors for coronary heart disease.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...090259.htm


More links on this below:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=sea...80&bih=892

[John V]

From Scientific American:
How Intermittent Fasting Might Help You Live a Longer and Healthier Life

Fasting is like chiropractic. Mainstream medicine looks down on it because they didn't invent it, but it works, so it's going to stick around and gain popularity.

[Rayaan]

But of course, like many things in life, there has to be a balance in fasting because fasting for too long and/or too much will lead to the opposite, negative effects.

And no one has to fast if they don't want to. It's your body and you can do whatever you want to it.


Edit: And some people shouldn't fast at all because of certain physical conditions or problems that they may have.

Edit (again): And someone can probably attain the same benefits as that of fasting by eating healthy and excercising on a day-to-day basis.

[John V]

Edit: And some people shouldn't fast at all because of certain physical conditions or problems that they may have.

Most sources say that fasting isn't recommended for children, pregnant/nursing women, and perhaps a couple of specific conditions.

Edit (again): And someone can probably attain the same benefits as that of fasting by eating healthy and excercising on a day-to-day basis.

A raw diet can produce most of the same effects, but it takes longer as the digestive tract keeps functioning. Shutting down the digestive tract is one of the purposes of the fast. A raw diet would probably never trigger some of the extreme autolysis effects, but most people aren't going to fast long enough to get there anyway.

[Angrboda]

From the detoxification therapies entry in The Skeptic's Dictionary

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It's an irrational concept, yet an intriguing idea, that modern life so fills us with poisons from polluted air and food additives
that we need to be periodically "cleaned out" ("detoxified"). Never mind that natural chemicals in our foods are thousands
of times more potent than additives, or that most Americans are healthier, live longer, and can choose from the most healthful
food supply ever available.
— Frances M. Berg, M.S.

Real detoxification of foreign substances takes place in the liver, which modifies their chemical structure so they can be excreted
by the kidneys which filter them from the blood into the urine.
— Stephen Barrett, M.D.

"Toxin" is classic pseudoscience terminology.
— Ben Goldacre, M.D.

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"...these detox programs amount to a large quantity of excrement, both literally and figuratively.”
— Peter Pressman, M.D.

Oh snap, I was asked for scientific evidence - I didn't think quoting stuff off the internet counted!

Since it apparently does, here are some articles on fasting by a practicing MD.

Scientific Basis For Juice Fasting

Juice Fasting Therapy

History Of Fasting

And from another good site:

How TO Juice Fast

Juicing: Hows and Whys

I think you should go on a fast now, John, because you've obviously got shit in your brain. Apparently you missed the words credible and scientific in my earlier post, of which some shingle hung out by an alternative medicine practitioner doesn't count. It's true that I didn't include the word "relevant," but I had no reason to suspect you to be suffering cranial septicemia. Your claim (below), was that juicing and fasting was relevant to the treatment of heavy metal poisoning and that juicing or fasting would clear the body of toxins. (And the fact that your chosen "expert" is peddling EDTA chelation therapy, which is well-known quackery, pretty much destroys his credibility in these matters.) The rest of the links posted do nothing to substantiate your claims. I'm guessing it's likely because you don't know what constitutes credible scientific evidence for a claim. This likely also explains why you're a shit for brains Christian.

Buy a juicer. Go on a juice fast. This will clear your body of toxins in general. For metals, use dark green leafy stuff for your juices, as chlorophyll is a good chelating agent. If you're interested I can give you more info, or just google it. I've gone as long as three weeks. I'm due for a fast actually, will probably do one in April or May.

[KichigaiNeko]

I was talking to John V, Kich, not you.

Ahhh my bad.

Hate being on the other end of the planet and missing all the goss overnight.

Ah well

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My mum said that her brother actually has sleep apnea. It's a complication that gets passed down through the genes, so I guess I might as well go with this for now and see what the sleep test has to say. If it's not the case that I have sleep apnea, well, then I'll go to a specialist who will actually work with me rather than against the tests I want to have done.

I know I'm no expert on diseases, but when people all over the world are shouting at the top of their lungs that they had the exact same symptoms as me and it turned out to be heavy metal poisoning... add two and two together!

Goodluck mate. if nothing else you will get to the bottom of what is bothering you.