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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 3, 2013 at 12:27 pm
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(May 1, 2013 at 9:10 am)Drich Wrote: (April 30, 2013 at 4:08 pm)wwjs Wrote: So god creates someone just to send him to "nothingness". And don't come up with this "free will" crap because god already knows that he won't believe.
God set up the process in which allowed you to be born. God did not create you in the sense He created Adam or even Eve.
Just because one Produces a movie and knows how it will end, does not mean the 'producer' wrote the ending himself. In turn Just because God sets the ball in motion, and knows ulitmatly how everything will play out does not mean He micro manages every bad choice you will make in your life time.
I don't believe you. Any testable evidence to back this up?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 3, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Don't hold your breath. All you get from this guy is a bunch of absurd claims that he doesn't care to back up with anything other than the bible told him it was true.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 3, 2013 at 7:52 pm
(April 18, 2013 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?
WE are still waiting for you to prove the existence of a god - before we can even address that question.
Existence is required for action - and therefore - your question is premature
Since you cannot prove a god exist - we need not go there.
However - to answer your question - your religion claims that your god created everything - and in the FAIRY TALE book - the god says that all he created was GOOD> so - nothing is BAD and therefore there is NO reason for punishment for anything
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 3, 2013 at 8:26 pm
(May 3, 2013 at 9:03 am)Drich Wrote: (May 2, 2013 at 10:54 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Just because our understanding doesn't agree with yours doesn't mean it is in error.
The way "our" reason was in error in this case was because popeye defaulted to Logical Fallacies to push the conversation past, a critical comperhension failure of the God of the bible he could not reconcile resulting in 'an appeal to common sense/Divine fallacy.'
This is somehow more erroneous than suggesting that your interpretation of the Bible is more correct that someone else's?
Quote:Speaking of the God of the bible in a way that differs from how the bible describes Him is a failure the basic understanding of God.
The Bible describes him as a vain, petty, psychopathic monster who screams for blood when angered, who invents a hell with which he can punish anyone who doesn't do what he wants and designs the system so that only by begging him for forgiveness can you avoid this fate. When a Christian insists that God is kind, loving and merciful, that is a basic misunderstanding of God.
Quote:My assessment stands.
Your assessment stands no higher than anyone else's.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 3, 2013 at 9:39 pm
(April 18, 2013 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?
Annihilate their souls. Boom. They're out of His hair, and there's no conflict between the Justice of God and the Injustice inherent in sending someone to be tortured for eternity.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 3, 2013 at 10:31 pm
(May 3, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (April 18, 2013 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?
Annihilate their souls. Boom. They're out of His hair, and there's no conflict between the Justice of God and the Injustice inherent in sending someone to be tortured for eternity.
We'll find out how omni-benevolent this god really is when He decides how to dispose of us. Will he look for a humane means of extermination? Will he just go for expedience or will he look to rub salt in the wounds. The whole idea of hell sounds more like the last alternative.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 4, 2013 at 2:45 am
(May 3, 2013 at 10:31 pm)whateverist Wrote: (May 3, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Annihilate their souls. Boom. They're out of His hair, and there's no conflict between the Justice of God and the Injustice inherent in sending someone to be tortured for eternity.
We'll find out how omni-benevolent this god really is when He decides how to dispose of us. Will he look for a humane means of extermination? Will he just go for expedience or will he look to rub salt in the wounds. The whole idea of hell sounds more like the last alternative.
Awfully nice of him to punish things he created for his shortfalls.
Again, glad it's all a fairy tale. Imagine actually believing any of this claptrap is true? Oh what a world.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 5, 2013 at 6:46 pm
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(May 3, 2013 at 12:48 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Don't hold your breath. All you get from this guy is a bunch of absurd claims that he doesn't care to back up with anything other than the bible told him it was true.
What else do you want? Would a trip to hell Help quench your hunger and thirst for 'proof?'
(May 3, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (April 18, 2013 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?
Annihilate their souls. Boom. They're out of His hair, and there's no conflict between the Justice of God and the Injustice inherent in sending someone to be tortured for eternity. This has been suggested several times. To which I ask, what if the process of Annihilation was to be consumed by the 'fires of Hell?' Is annihilation still what you want?
(May 3, 2013 at 10:31 pm)whateverist Wrote: (May 3, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Annihilate their souls. Boom. They're out of His hair, and there's no conflict between the Justice of God and the Injustice inherent in sending someone to be tortured for eternity.
We'll find out how omni-benevolent this god really is when He decides how to dispose of us. Will he look for a humane means of extermination? Will he just go for expedience or will he look to rub salt in the wounds. The whole idea of hell sounds more like the last alternative. God never makes the claim that He is 'Omni-benevolent.' The Church leaders who came up with this 'doctrine' had to over look a whole heck of a lot of scripture to force this attribute onto God.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 5, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Heaven?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 6, 2013 at 12:02 am
(May 5, 2013 at 7:34 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: Heaven?
What if God does not want to spend an eternity with those who raped and murdered His Children? Or those who spent their whole lives hating Him or those who follow him? Does He not have the right to separate those who love him from those who do not?
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