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Abortion and Paternity Rights
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Abortion and Paternity Rights
This is a complicated issue, however I want to see if there are any folks willing to ask the difficult question of equaity in abortions. I provded below possible solution of paternity rights of a male to some extent in the pre-natal claim to a baby. I want to make sure I am not against abortion fully, just wanting to exaimine real issues concerning it and do it with free thinking and reason.

I think the first step is to recognize that is it not the father fault that the fetus is in the females body as it does take two to tango. Once that thought process is understood we can realize this is not a simple Black and White issue. My girlfriend is in fact pro-choice (not pro-abortion) and her economic arguments in abortion and protecting the female's future are irrefutable in my book. I want to stress that I considered greatly the other side and I agree with a lot of the other side now that I understand. I also understand the physical stress, mental and financial stress (which affects the male too.) Also, concerning rape, incest and potential harmful complications (that can kill or greatly harm the female) those factors I think will and SHOULD default the choice to abort to the female.

Now the process by which a male should have a determination to fall down to several easily attainable data points. First is financial stability, can the father take care of the child monetarily and provide its needs. Second is personal mental health, is the male physiologically capable of raising the child in an emotionally healthy home. While providing intellectual and emotional stimulation according to the child’s needs. These two major factors can be determined through various already in place process. With the final one can be done through a non-bias psychologist. Now once these are established as a positive, this is where the hardest part is in fact determined. There are two paths we can take for the loss of work incurred on the female. First maybe a contracted set amount of time for the loss of wages to be reimbursed by the male through monthly installments or other agreed financial solutions. Or use funds from a government program for this reimbursement possibly social security. The physical and psychological can be easily fixed through insurance and helpful therapy (even though mental issues are still stigmatized in the US). I think if the female can be reimbursed for the sacrifice, then it is a reasonable compromise.

Now the only flaw I forsee and maybe you can help with this is if the female is adamant of not wanting to give birth. In which case for the sake of the argument let’s say it is after brain activity and proven reaction to outside stimuli. What then, is the female’s rights to be barred? I think the best solution is after all the legal reimbursement and medical care is offer through contract of the male party and she denies the claim (after a decent thought given and signed paper work) then a female might be able to carry out on her own free will. But offer suggestions if you will, I am trying for what gives progress to society. Personally I think we should have better contraceptives and birth control and this would be a none issue.
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#2
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I just think that every fetus should be aborted. It would sort out this damn pest problem Earth has.
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(April 24, 2013 at 3:16 am)frankiej Wrote: I just think that every fetus should be aborted. It would sort out this damn pest problem Earth has.

Atleast ones from stupid people.
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I think a whole lot of people would have a whole lot easier a time with abortion if they stopped thinking of humani in terms of what they might (luck willing) one day become, and more time on what they are.

Probably a great number of parents wouldn't be quite as disappointed when their children are not what they dream them to be... but let's be clear: this is an emotional subject, not a logical one with some non-subjective clearcut answer. I mean, if you're already going to attach 'person' to a lousy lump of cellz, you might as well go all the way with it.

But do we see them going all the way with it? Of course not... this is because it's not about logic. Maybe one day we'll stop eating very definite personalities, and stop fighting for the rights of very definite non-personalities. But then, maybe one day I'll grow a beard!

Oh wait, I already have! Big Grin

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... That's not me, but you get my point, no?

(April 24, 2013 at 3:19 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: Atleast ones from stupid people.

I don't know of a single person what is not stupid... leaves us with two options:

1) Hive mind in desperate attempt to patch this up, with some unification theory for flavour.

2) Devouring lethal levels of Wheaties every morning... after all: tis the breakfast of CHAMPIONS!
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Nothing wrong with abortion.
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(April 24, 2013 at 4:02 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Nothing wrong with abortion.

Yeah, I sneak in some cheeky abortions here and there... an abortion after breakfast, an abortion with my afternoon tea and sometimes even a wee sly abortion before my post-dinner joint. Just whenever I feel like I need one really.
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(April 24, 2013 at 4:14 am)frankiej Wrote: Yeah, I sneak in some cheeky abortions here and there... an abortion after breakfast, an abortion with my afternoon tea and sometimes even a wee sly abortion before my post-dinner joint. Just whenever I feel like I need one really.

I like to abort such wonderful activities as pooping. SAVE A LIFE: ABORT!

And whatever you do... don't flush!
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Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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I usually abort just after lunch in the restroom daily!
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan
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(April 24, 2013 at 3:10 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: Personally I think we should have better contraceptives and birth control and this would be a none issue.
No, some people are just stupid.

Plus an aborted foetus might live for 8 years, and then people could find it and hail it to be an alien, pretty solid argument again abortion don't you think? Link
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Sorry, I don't agree with forced suragacy for women. Woman's body means woman's choice. I think she should consider the opinion of the father, but not be obligated to follow it.

P.S. Daniel, WTF was that?!?!
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