Deconversion

[bladevalant546]

Well I have indifference towars and afterlife leprechaun could exist if you count irish migets hahaha. Thanks for the input though, it is an interesting journey.

[DeistPaladin]

Well I have indifference towars and afterlife leprechaun could exist if you count irish migets hahaha. Thanks for the input though, it is an interesting journey.

Not all atheists are so convinced there is no existence after death. Some do take the agnostic route that you seem to want to. I even knew one who said he believed in reincarnation. All atheism means is the lack of belief in any god or gods. The afterlife is really another philosophical issue.

Think of it like a quadrant:

1. God exists, afterlife exists. (example: Christianity)
2. God does not exist, afterlife exists (example: Buddhism)
3. God exists, afterlife does not exist (example: some parts of the OT)
4. God does not exist, afterlife does not exist.

Just because there is a god doesn't mean that god gives a crap about us enough to preserve our consciousness after death (many deists reject the idea of the afterlife). On the other hand, just because there is no god doesn't mean that there isn't some natural mechanic behind consciousness that survives the death of the brain.

I'm agnostic about the whole afterlife issue myself and choose to worry about this life only.

[bladevalant546]

Well I have indifference towars and afterlife leprechaun could exist if you count irish migets hahaha. Thanks for the input though, it is an interesting journey.

Not all atheists are so convinced there is no existence after death. Some do take the agnostic route that you seem to want to. I even knew one who said he believed in reincarnation. All atheism means is the lack of belief in any god or gods. The afterlife is really another philosophical issue.

Think of it like a quadrant:

1. God exists, afterlife exists. (example: Christianity)
2. God does not exist, afterlife exists (example: Buddhism)
3. God exists, afterlife does not exist (example: some parts of the OT)
4. God does not exist, afterlife does not exist.

Just because there is a god doesn't mean that god gives a crap about us enough to preserve our consciousness after death (many deists reject the idea of the afterlife). On the other hand, just because there is no god doesn't mean that there isn't some natural mechanic behind consciousness that survives the death of the brain.

I'm agnostic about the whole afterlife issue myself and choose to worry about this life only.

Indeed, I hold an opinion that this entity that help generate the universe is not a supernatural being but merely a being of far superior scientific and technological knowledge. I think the common presupposition of this being is we presuppose what supernatural is/means, with that causes another presupposition that this being is in fact the traditional "god".

In terms of afterlife, I do not know but I do hope. So I am agnostic currently concerning the afterlife.

[Godscreated]

It has been an interesting journey for sure however. I am more free to explore what my mind can think rather than what i am told to think.

Christ said, "you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free." I know most Christians view this as only being set free of sin in different ways, depends on the denomination. However I see it as even more, did you ever give this statement by Christ any consideration other than being set free of sin.

[bladevalant546]

It has been an interesting journey for sure however. I am more free to explore what my mind can think rather than what i am told to think.

Christ said, "you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free." I know most Christians view this as only being set free of sin in different ways, depends on the denomination. However I see it as even more, did you ever give this statement by Christ any consideration other than being set free of sin.

To answer your question, I believe the statement all truth comes from god, that includes everything. I am always open to the idea of a theistic God. However, in my observations of the world around me I just do not see any "intervention". As Ben Franklin stated concerning Jesus I share the same sentiment, "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble ..."

I find that virtue is important in society and regards to humanism, therefore I strife for the moral and rational aspects of the human mind. I believe we require certian agreed morals for the progression of mankind to work in the best means possible. These virtues and morals are present throughout religions and various philosophical beliefs.

[Godscreated]

@ bladevalant546, does that mean you believe the statement by Christ means only freedom from sin.