Nothingness

[The Reality Salesman01]

You can believe whatever you want dude, and you can tell yourself that an infinity is easier for you to understand than a circle-square is and I can believe that you think that because you want an infinity to be true. The fact is, none of our opinions mean shit here because none of it correlates with reality or our observable universe, so until we have some rational foundation for such speculation, its just irrational reasoning that supports its probability.

I take it, that was directed at me?

My views are most aligned with naturalism than idealism, although the difference between the two is subtle. Although I use a lot of precepts from idealism, such as the power of language. That does not mean that I think an internally contradictory concept such as a 'married bachelor' or a 'square circle' exists. There I default to naturalism: What can be observed and understood as a part of Nature.

I do not think "infinity to be true" nor that "infinity is easier for you to understand than a circle-square" are true. I merely expressed that they are possible to be written in text using language.

I don't see what part of my posts implied that.

I can see where I misunderstood. After re-reading your post, I see what you meant. I apologize.

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<Didn't read, lol>

Already know what crazy people say with no evidence!

Oh of course you do~... you're just such a smart little boy, oh yes you are~! What adorable little chubby cheeks~!!

* Violet Lilly Blossom pinches Texas Sailor's face cheeks and rattles his brains.

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If you're going to be childish, you will be treated as a child. Grow up, and you can sit at the adult's table.

No thanks...I know what table you're talking about...

[Violet]

No thanks...I know what table you're talking about...

Those are some good friends of mine, not particularly intelligent, but moderately creative. If you don't have the mental capacity to join in with them, you are either worryingly stupid... or really slow.

Either way, you just can't keep up, and this frustrates you. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupidity, and the accelerants to speed you can kill you... but hey: at least you can have some fun before you die

[The Reality Salesman01]

No thanks...I know what table you're talking about...

Those are some good friends of mine, not particularly intelligent, but moderately creative. If you don't have the mental capacity to join in with them, you are either worryingly stupid... or really slow.

Either way, you just can't keep up, and this frustrates you. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupidity, and the accelerants to speed you can kill you... but hey: at least you can have some fun before you die

Touché salesman....touché. I would love to stay with you and your friends, however I'm late for a very important date!

[Violet]

Touché salesman....touché. I would love to stay with you and your friends, however I'm late for a very important date!

The queen will be there.

[Gnosis]

Why would causation occur where there are no laws by which it is to occur? Most people are just crazy.

Because empty space is unstable.

What's anti-matter annihilating itself against matter got to do with anything?

Em well everything! you bring the two together and they destroy each other into nothing the theory is the process can reverse itself.

Logical? Of course I'm not logical. Never had enough faith in logic to take the plunge. Been free of logic for forty years... I don't intend to enslave myself within it now.

Not enough faith in logic ? And yet without it the world would fall into chaos,
Society's would cease to exits. People would believe anything they where told. There would be no conclusions to anything. The flying spaghetti monster would have a chance. Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster ? Not many people do... Why ? because its ill-logical.

[Violet]

That's way too hard to decipher, Gnosis. Care to restructure so that I can see it?

But yes, logic is only supported by logic. If you do not simply accept its three laws... you cannot believe in logic. Logically.

Can A not equal A? Can notA equal A? Are we not excluding every state between A and notA?

But, I'll wait till I can read your post without trying to fix it first

[Gnosis]

That's way too hard to decipher, Gnosis. Care to restructure so that I can see it?

If it was easy to decipher we would have the answers to everything. unfortunately I'm not a physicist so i cant. But I get the feeling if I was one you wouldn't listen to me anyway.

But yes, logic is only supported by logic. If you do not simply accept its three laws... you cannot believe in logic. Logically.

logic is logic... theres no way of looking at it differently, Some people just choose to ignore levels of it. Logic is preinstalled in the brain. Not accepting it is foolish. your referring to the aristotle three laws ? right so you don't accept them ?
So if i was to say that apple is an apple ? first law ... its not because you don't accept that logic .. ? there something in between .. an orange is an apple !

you obviously believe in contradiction (not surprising) .. second law.
if i was to tell you, Today i went to the store and then i was to say to you today i did not go to the store... ill-logical ? doesn't matter you don't accept the three laws so thats totally possible.

third law, true or false. pretty simple. Our good friend Alan Turning used this to design the logic engine. Which is the reason why we can debate on this wonderful forum right now...


Its looking pretty good for aristotle

[The Reality Salesman01]

You can't reason with somebody that openly rejects reason. Somebody willing to openly say they reject logic could not put it any plainly to you that they are irrational. The points you make are valid, but not to these types of thinkers. There are things they don't believe, they just don't understand the system that gives them the ability to articulate a non-contradictory reason why. Anything they do believe in, falls short of intelligible thought due to the same cause, its a vicious circle. It's funny, but don't get your hopes up that they will actually understand a single thing you say. Just see if you can give them some jelly beans or something, pat them on the head, and be on your way ( e.g. Waldorf).

[Ryantology]

You can't reason with somebody that openly rejects reason. Somebody willing to openly say they reject logic could not put it any plainly to you that they are irrational. The points you make are valid, but not to these types of thinkers. There are things they don't believe, they just don't understand the system that gives them the ability to articulate a non-contradictory reason why. Anything they do believe in, falls short of intelligible thought due to the same cause, its a vicious circle. It's funny, but don't get your hopes up that they will actually understand a single thing you say. Just see if you can give them some jelly beans or something, pat them on the head, and be on your way ( e.g. Waldorf).

Martin Luther understood that faith and reason are incompatible and admitted it proudly:

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."

Modern Christians, agreeing in principle with Luther but lacking the honesty to admit it, are constantly guilty of misconstruing faith as reason and delusion as knowledge.

[The Reality Salesman01]

There's just not enough jelly-beans : /