A Jurassic avialan dinosaur from China...

[Esquilax]

So what you're saying is everyone should take what any scientist says as the truth, even when said scientist has a reputation of tampering with evidence or in this case possibly non-evidence. Real smart of you most gullible grasshopper. Can you possibly be more out of touch with reality.

No, what I'm saying is that you're a pompous, sneering douchebag.

With regards to science, my standards are the same as they've always been; I'll believe a scientist who provides peer reviewed, repeatable and falsifiable evidence for the claim he's making, while referencing the information he's using to come to the conclusions he has.

You aren't doing that. In fact, you're demanding that we accept your assertion by fiat with no evidence beyond your word, or else we're gullible. And you have a history of spinning the facts to suit your purposes whenever it suits you or your pet god.

In essence, you're asking that we indulge in the textbook definition of gullibility, in order to avoid being called gullible by... you.

A man who used the words "creation scientist" without irony in this very thread.

[Doubting Thomas]

I do not care, I'm not your slave go find it like I did.

Do you really want to fall back on this again? The surefire way to tell that someone is just pulling something out of his ass is the statement "The truth is out there, do the research!"

Ever hear of burden of proof? It's not up to us to prove that your claim is correct.

[Minimalist]

So what you're saying is everyone should take what any scientist says as the truth,

Says the guy who uncritically believes whatever is written in a stupid old book.

You are covering yourself with glor... shit, once again.

[Doubting Thomas]

"Don't take what all those scientists say is true at face value, demand evidence. But don't question anything religious leaders say is truth."

What a rotten way to live your life.

[Baalzebutt]

GC, are you really that desperate to hang on to your beliefs? You know good and well that this is solid evidence yet you continue to call us gullible and make wild, completely unfounded claims of tampering.

Wouldn't it be easier to just accept this as scientific fact (until proven otherwise) and just tweak the explanations within your belief system to match the current scientific evidence as is the custom within religion?

Here, I will help you: "This fossil is not evidence of evolution. It is simply another of gods wonderful creations put on our Earth to further show just what a smart and resourceful guy that god of mine is. It shows another piece of the puzzle that has those silly scientists believing even more in the fraud that is evolution."

See how easy that is? And you don't even have to make up any NEW unfounded, crazy assertions. You can use the ones you have already been using for years!

[Minimalist]

GC, are you really that desperate to hang on to your beliefs?

He is typical of the breed. So wrapped up in fairy tales that he must strike out at anything which demonstrates them to be horseshit.

There is little hope for someone who scorns this life for the "next" life.

[Godscreated]

Like I said go ahead and believe in falsified science, I really do not care, actually I hope you are that gullible, then creation scientist will have a field day. You do know I will remind you of it, but again all there will be to expect is, . Do I need to remind you of the strawman you guys always throw up to Christians.

What strawman, where? You said that that the fossil was tampered with, and yet have failed to produce any evidence whatsoever to support your claim. The only conclusion I can make here is that you have every intention of promoting dishonesty. So you can dispense with the pretense of self-righteousness. No one believes you.

No, I did not say it had been tampered with, I wish people would read what is written and not what they think's written. I said it was being looked at for tampering, so the same thing doesn't happen as before, this is all I said.

[The Grand Nudger]

-All- discoveries are subject to scrutiny numbskull. People don't get to toss some shit up in a journal and have everyone around them nod their heads saying "okay, seems legit" unless...of course....it's "that" kind of journal. I'm sure you know the kind.



I can't even find any links to a source that claims this particular find is being looked into for tampering..........just link it man, get it over with.

[Baalzebutt]

No, I did not say it had been tampered with, I wish people would read what is written and not what they think's written. I said it was being looked at for tampering, so the same thing doesn't happen as before, this is all I said.

Can you provide ANY evidence that it is being examined for tampering?

If that evidence exists, you have a valid point. If not, you are just spewing more shit and trying to cast some pathetic doubt on what is arguably one of the more important fossil finds of our century.

Reminds me of an exchange in the movie "The Campaign":

Son: I am running for class president
Dad: What is your campaign platform?
Son: I don't really have one but I did start a rumor that Mark, my opponent, may or may not have a vagina.

You seem to think that if you weaken the case for evolution you have somehow strengthened the case for creation.

You could not be more wrong.

[orogenicman]

What strawman, where? You said that that the fossil was tampered with, and yet have failed to produce any evidence whatsoever to support your claim. The only conclusion I can make here is that you have every intention of promoting dishonesty. So you can dispense with the pretense of self-righteousness. No one believes you.

No, I did not say it had been tampered with, I wish people would read what is written and not what they think's written. I said it was being looked at for tampering, so the same thing doesn't happen as before, this is all I said.

There is doubt about this fossil, tampering is suspected as with many Chinese fossils.

You're words. Now, as I said before, if you have evidence that this fossil has been tampered with, then present it here and now. Otherwise, stop misrepresenting the facts.