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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 3, 2013 at 10:40 pm
I totally got asked about Hitler's belief system today too Min. Up on facebook that one went! 
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 3, 2013 at 11:02 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 10:40 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I totally got asked about Hitler's belief system today too Min. Up on facebook that one went!
Be prepared for, "Well he wasn't a true Scotsman Christian."
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 3, 2013 at 11:04 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 10:40 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I totally got asked about Hitler's belief system today too Min. Up on facebook that one went!
They oh-so-desperately do not want to be a member of any club that Hitler belonged to.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 12:08 am
(June 3, 2013 at 7:39 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Open letter to any new Christians starting threads in this forum:
Please do not present any of the following arguments and think you're offering us anything new or even anything that atheists haven't heard and debunked a million times already. Many of us are ex-Christians and even those who aren't are still savvy enough that we've heard all the endlessly recycled, canned apologetic arguments. If you do offer these arguments, do not expect anything more than irritated GTFO or STFU retorts. Hearing the same tired arguments over and over gets old.
Rule of Thumb: If WL Craig, Strobel, McDowell, Habermas, Comfort or Answers in Genesis have used the argument you're about to post, we've heard it already.
Among the specific arguments we've already heard include but are not limited . Never heard of those guys.
- "Without (my) God, there can be no morals"[/quote]
Without God there is only morality/self righteousness
- "The universe can't come from nothing"[/quote]
This is the case in either argument.
- "What about Josephus and Tacitus? They mentioned Jesus."[/quote]
So, do the thousands of books letters and manuscripts in the libraries of the Vatican.
- "Why would the disciples have died for a lie?"[/quote]
The more important question is why would they die for the truth?
- "The Gospels are reliable historical documents, written by eye-witness accounts."[/quote]
I've never heard this arguement.
- The Ontological Argument[/quote]
Or this one.
- The Teleological Argument[/quote]
Or this one
- The Transcendental Argument[/quote] or this one.
- The Moral Argument[/quote] or this one.
- Pascal's Wager[/quote] is this the one where he promises to sacerfice what ever comes through the door way next, thinking it was a goat, but it was his daughter? Oh, wait that was jepathah's wager. ;D
- The Presuppositionalist Argument[/quote]i would google these but, there is no need, as I have never used these arguement knowingly, which is what your asking for anyway. If I read up on them then maybe I might be inclined to use them.
- "Where do you get your sense of meaning without God?"[/quote] without God there is only self.
- "Hitler was an atheist!"
- "Stalin was an atheist!"
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Hitler and Stalin were what they needed to be when they needed to be it in order to rise to power so they could ultimately rule according to how they saw fit.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 12:11 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2013 at 1:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Your using them "unknowingly" is precisely the point Drich. It shouldn't be atheists who clue you in on the names of the tired fucking arguments you use.
Due god-damned diligence man!
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 1:22 am
that went up on facebook toooooooo
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 1:25 am
(June 4, 2013 at 12:11 am)Rhythm Wrote: Yuor using them "unkowingly" is precisely the point Drich. It shouldn't be atheists who clue you in on the names of the tired fucking arguments you use.
Due god-damned diligence man!
Whats more common Mario?
An Atheist posing as a Christian? Or, a Christian posing as an Atheist?
I'll wait....
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 1:28 am
How the fuck should I know that? Further, why would I care?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 1:33 am
(June 4, 2013 at 1:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: How the fuck should I know that? Further, why would I care?
Well....maybe you'll get to ask Adolf some really...REALLY warm day! 
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 4, 2013 at 1:34 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2013 at 1:35 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Herp derp - fucking moron. Catholicism deserves better representation on these boards...I swear to christ....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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