In a world without God...

[Drich]

But there is. God offers absolute proof for all who A/S/K as out lined in Luke 11.

No, that is not absolute proof of anything except a gullible mind willing to believe a fairy tale rather than apply reason in a world of reality. You can A/S/K (bullshit) all you want, but all you have done is convinced yourself of something that cannot be demonstrably proven to anyone. People convince themselves of things that are not real all the time, and they end up at the psychiatric ward. That is where you obviously belong.

So if you wanted tangable proof of President Obama (not a picture or clip) and He stood before you, this would not be proof enough for you that he indeed who he says he is?

That said if you wanted to meet the President, do you think you could just text him and he drop everything he was doing to come proove himself to you.. Or do you think there is a proceedure you must first subject yourself to in order to meet Him? If we understand we have to respect the proceedures in place to meet a simple leader of a country, then why do we assume the Master and Commander of ALL of creation is at our beckon call?

A/S/K as out lined in Luke 11 is the proceedure Christ says we must to in order to have Proof of God. If you can not humble yourself enough to A/S/K then God will not 'see you.'

[The Grand Nudger]

Couldn't I stand before you and call myself President Obama?

(we back to imagining the asking god again?)

[orogenicman]

It was a simple question. You appear to be infatuated with one book. I just wasn't sure if you realized that there are millions of books.

What other book Speaks of the God of the bible? Is that not what we are talking about? If there is only one book that speaks of the God of the bible then why go on a fools errand looking at 35 million other books?

Odd, that. I say odd because the title of the thread and the subject of the OP was about a world without god, not a discussion of god or what a world is with god.

Or did the topic change, and you just did not make anyone else aware?

See above.

I'm a published professional geologist, and have offered to take you on a field trip to show you why you are wrong.

Published as in writting correct? Then why must you show me anything? why can't you write the reason you feel that i am wrong?

Because field experience has far more impact intellectually and emotionally. You can talk about fossils and sedimentary layers in a classroom or in a forum until the cows come home, but there is no substitution for seeing them in the field IN CONTEXT.

Ignore my offer if you must, but don't come here making claims you cannot support and expect to be taken seriously.

So your denying the fact that over 75% of the fossile remains on display at the smithsonian are reproductions? That the majority of the displayed skeletons (including the one of the dipicted stegosaurus) are primarialy comprised of reproduction parts.

I worked at the Louisville Science Center for four years as assistant science curator, and am very aware of the fact that many skeletal displays are reproductions. So What? Skeletal and fossil remains are not only too fragile to be put on display for thousands of patrons to knock around each and every day, they must be stored in a climate controlled environment to prevent them from deteriorating. Moreover, such specimens are available to experts for study, but not the general public because they have neither the expertise nor even a valid reason for handling them. Again, if you truly want to learn something about geology, you MUST go into the field.

Maybe the reason a 'published geologist' is so confused about this is because these things are not rocks.. Maybe if you were a published paleontologist you would know what you were talking about... Until then I think it wise to not go on a field trip with someone who does not know the difference between a resin mock up and actual fossilized remains.

Wow, I knew you'd find a lame excuse for declining my challenge, but I had no idea it would be SO lame. As for my being published,

Read it and weep, dumbass:

Crinoids Of The Muldraugh Member of The Borden Formation...

[The Reality Salesman01]

This seems more and more pointless as the times go on. There's really just two kinds of people in this world. People that use unreliable processes to lead them to beliefs, and people who are aware that they do. The biggest difference is that the latter half will be more likely to reduce the amount of false beliefs. The others will remain on their path until an unreliable process leads them to either an undoubtable certainty they have been wrong, or it kills them. Fortunately for them, In either scenario, the old belief once held won't even matter.

[Drich]

Idiotic. They are living monuments to -their own- existence. You have a problem with this because it represents the ways that god could not have ever existed - to you.

'They' are living monuments to the fact that artisians know how to make fiberglass structures that look like dinosaur bones.

(The bible "ages" itself left right and center btw)

Ah, no sorry princess.
The bible only dates man's time outside the Garden, it does not date the planet nor does it give any information outside that of a central garden perspective. That means any amount of time could have elapsed outside of the eden God created for man Made in His image.

[Silver]

So if you wanted tangable proof of President Obama

Are you really going the fallacious route of If you have never seen the London Bridge, how do you know it is real?

Bullshit as out lined in Luke 11 is the procedure a dead zombie says we must to in order to have smokes and mirrors of magical sky daddy. If you can not humble yourself enough to Bullshit then magical sky daddy will not 'see you.'

Fixed.

[orogenicman]

I'll take that field trip! Please!

I am willing to take anyone who wants to go on such a trip. Name the time, and I'll name the place. It must be near my home, however, since I am currently disabled, and don't have the funds to travel afar. That said, there are a lot of important and interesting outcrops within 50 miles of where I live that present clear evidence for every geologic setting one would need to demonstrate geologic principles and the biologic theory of evolution in real life settings.

[The Grand Nudger]

'They' are living monuments to the fact that artisians know how to make fiberglass structures that look like dinosaur bones.

Which is a problem why?

Ah, no sorry princess.
The bible only dates man's time outside the Garden, it does not date the planet nor does it give any information outside that of a central garden perspective. That means any amount of time could have elapsed outside of the eden God created for man Made in His image.

It dates the garden as well. It also dates the planet by relation to the garden and man. "Any" amount of time could not have elapsed. See, heres the deal. -You- feel compelled to tie this story to reality, so -you- are the one creating a falsifiable narrative. If you don't like the dates given just give up - put the garden "a long time ago in a galaxy far away". I'm disappointed at how quickly your imagination seems to have fled in an otherwise imaginative thread when confronted with this unfortunate reality.

[Esquilax]

So if you wanted tangable proof of President Obama (not a picture or clip) and He stood before you, this would not be proof enough for you that he indeed who he says he is?

That said if you wanted to meet the President, do you think you could just text him and he drop everything he was doing to come proove himself to you.. Or do you think there is a proceedure you must first subject yourself to in order to meet Him? If we understand we have to respect the proceedures in place to meet a simple leader of a country, then why do we assume the Master and Commander of ALL of creation is at our beckon call?

A/S/K as out lined in Luke 11 is the proceedure Christ says we must to in order to have Proof of God. If you can not humble yourself enough to A/S/K then God will not 'see you.'

The flaw here is that we have independent means to verify the existence of Obama. We can see pictures of him, watch his speeches, even do some verifiable research into him if we want. Obama is not claiming to be miraculous and capable of suspending the laws of reality. So the fact that it may be difficult to get a meeting with Obama isn't so much of an issue; we know he exists because at the very least we can be in the same room as he walks past. He does have a physical presence.

Meanwhile, god; no pictures, no recordings, no verifiable witnesses. And what witnesses we do have vary wildly; you don't have people seeing Obama speak on, say, gun control, and have some people coming away with the impression he's in favor of it, and another group coming away just as fervently sure he's against it. Oh, and their Obama is eighty feet tall and can shoot lightning.

See, you can't pretend they're at all alike; the real, demonstrable evidence for Obama converges to a set of known facts. The spotty, second hand subjective evidence for god fractures and splits, over and over, and not a one of you is able to demonstrate his existence outside of simply demanding that he does.

[orogenicman]

Idiotic. They are living monuments to -their own- existence. You have a problem with this because it represents the ways that god could not have ever existed - to you.

'They' are living monuments to the fact that artisians know how to make fiberglass structures that look like dinosaur bones.

So, you are not only going to ignore my response, but ignore the real explanation for the above? Doesn't your god punish dishonesty?