Blind faith and evolution

[Walking Void]

After days of nauseating surgery, the hospital staff finally managed to remove the keyboard and all of the loose keys and buttons from enrico's small intestine...

[Little Rik]

Hummmm, is frightening to think that in the next few minutes our planet can be hit by a huge meteor and we all die.

Tough. That's what you get for living in a cosmos that isn't even aware of your existence and wouldn't give a flying fox even if it was.

Your believing in good or bad luck would make sense in the context of NO GOD but of course you can not demonstrate that God does not exist just because you are not aware of his existence.
Awareness come with desire so if you have no desire to know about him then is quite natural that he is not interested in let you know that he exist.

And it's 'meteorite', not meteor, in the context you're using. Meteors originate from cometary debris and are totally harmless, being the term for the flash of light as they burn up in the atmosphere. Meteorites are chunks of rock and iron originating principally from asteroids, or less commonly from other rocky planets. The two words are not interchangeable; though since you've a proven track record of distorting every other combination of scientific terms in a hideously Frankenstein fashion, I can't say I'm surprised at this point.

In this case my AWARENESS in this field of meteor and meteorite is lacking so i do apologize if i said the wrong thing.
What i do object is the fact that you say that i DISTORT the fact when in reality the mistake was due to my lack of awareness in this field.
In other word you can say that someone DISTORT something when it is done on purpose not when is done by accident.
Sorry mate no kudos this time.

[Cyberman]

What I object to is you continually ascribing to me beliefs I have never claimed, simply to score cheap points. Please knock it off. I never said I believe in luck, good or bad. In the context of the discussion, I said the cosmos is totally indifferent to us and what we believe (that means it doesn't give a damn). Also I have never said that "God" does not exist so I have no need to demonstrate that. You're the one who keeps asserting that it does exist, so you have the burden of proof.

In this case my AWARENESS in this field of meteor and meteorite is lacking so i do apologize if i said the wrong thing.

No worries, it's a common error and you're not the first to make it, nor will you be the last.

What i do object is the fact that you say that i DISTORT the fact when in reality the mistake was due to my lack of awareness in this field. In other word you can say that someone DISTORT something when it is done on purpose not when is done by accident.

You have shown a lack of awareness in pretty much every field up to this point and have distorted everything else, deliberately or not. That you get upset when called out on it is irrelevant.

Sorry mate no kudos this time.

[bennyboy]

Your believing in good or bad luck would make sense in the context of NO UNICORNS but of course you can not demonstrate that Unicorns do not exist just because you are not aware of their existence.
Awareness come with desire so if you have no desire to know about them then is quite natural that they are not interested in let you know that they exist.

FIFY

[Little Rik]

What I object to is you continually ascribing to me beliefs I have never claimed, simply to score cheap points. Please knock it off. I never said I believe in luck, good or bad. In the context of the discussion, I said the cosmos is totally indifferent to us and what we believe (that means it doesn't give a damn).

I can not see any logic in your comment.
If the cosmos is..........totally indifferent to us and what we believe ..........then it means that nobody can rein in the cosmos therefore it is all a question of good or bad lack whether we will be affected by it.
Moreover when you say..........that means it doesn't give a damn........ you imply that the cosmos must have some sort of consciousness in order to express judgments.
Uhm... all a bit confusing Stimbo.

Also I have never said that "God" does not exist so I have no need to demonstrate that. You're the one who keeps asserting that it does exist, so you have the burden of proof.

I think you are making a bit of confusion.
When you say..........Tough. That's what you get for living in a cosmos that isn't even aware of your existence and wouldn't give a flying fox even if it was......you imply that you do not believe in a supreme controller of this universe or perhaps that if this controller exist he would not give a damn about what happen.
In other words you do not believe in a controller or in a controller that does his work by controlling the cosmos.

You have shown a lack of awareness in pretty much every field up to this point and have distorted everything else, deliberately or not. That you get upset when called out on it is irrelevant.

You guys have to demonstrate that your pop corn theory is valid before you tell me that i distort everything.
When you put pop corn in the machine you will notice that they all come up and out looking the same but when you get the humanity coming out YOUR evolutionary cycle they all come out totally different.
You get some black some white, yellow or red you get some born rich some poor, some sick some healthy some die soon after born some other live long lives and so on.
Now if you believe that there is no reincarnation in which people start from lower form of lives to higher form of lives and the lives are shaped according their action then it does not make sense that we get out the popping machine in totally different shapes.
I am still waiting that someone come out with a proper explanation.

[Silver]

When you put pop corn in the machine you will notice that they all come up and out looking the same

I have basically ignored your posts until now, but now you are merely being ridiculous.

No two kernels will pop the same. That is basic chaos theory.

I am still waiting that someone come out with a proper explanation.

I am waiting for you to present a proper argument.

[popeyespappy]

Oh for Christ's sake! Going by that logic, Enrico a rags to riches story shouldn't be possible. That being said, please explain Biddy Mason. How the fuck did she go from slave to rich woman in a single lifetime? After all she wasn't born rich, and as far as I can tell didn't die and come back as a higher cast...

[Cyberman]

What I object to is you continually ascribing to me beliefs I have never claimed, simply to score cheap points. Please knock it off. I never said I believe in luck, good or bad. In the context of the discussion, I said the cosmos is totally indifferent to us and what we believe (that means it doesn't give a damn).

I can not see any logic in your comment.
If the cosmos is..........totally indifferent to us and what we believe ..........then it means that nobody can rein in the cosmos therefore it is all a question of good or bad lack whether we will be affected by it.

Correct! At least as far as the good/bad luck thing. Luck, in the sense we're using it here, is more to do with chance governed by physical laws rather than what we label as luck. Whether we call it good or bad depends on the outcome.

Moreover when you say..........that means it doesn't give a damn........ you imply that the cosmos must have some sort of consciousness in order to express judgments.
Uhm... all a bit confusing Stimbo.

Uhm... no. You could equally well say I'm implying the cosmos has a mouth to express these things. You're confused because it's made of straw.

Also I have never said that "God" does not exist so I have no need to demonstrate that. You're the one who keeps asserting that it does exist, so you have the burden of proof.

I think you are making a bit of confusion.
When you say..........Tough. That's what you get for living in a cosmos that isn't even aware of your existence and wouldn't give a flying fox even if it was......you imply that you do not believe in a supreme controller of this universe or perhaps that if this controller exist he would not give a damn about what happen.
In other words you do not believe in a controller or in a controller that does his work by controlling the cosmos.

Correct! We have a winner! I do not believe in these things, I am not the one positing that they exist - therefore do not have to prove they don't.

You have shown a lack of awareness in pretty much every field up to this point and have distorted everything else, deliberately or not. That you get upset when called out on it is irrelevant.

You guys have to demonstrate that your pop corn theory is valid before you tell me that i distort everything.

The only person around here with a pop corn theory is you. You like your strawmen, don't you?

Now if you believe that there is no reincarnation in which people start from lower form of lives to higher form of lives and the lives are shaped according their action then it does not make sense that we get out the popping machine in totally different shapes.
I am still waiting that someone come out with a proper explanation.

Except I don't believe there is no reincarnation, I merely lack the belief that there is. The ball, as they say, is in your court.

I do feel we're making progress though.

[Little Rik]

Oh for Christ's sake! Going by that logic, Enrico a rags to riches story shouldn't be possible. That being said, please explain Biddy Mason. How the fuck did she go from slave to rich woman in a single lifetime? After all she wasn't born rich, and as far as I can tell didn't die and come back as a higher cast...

You see, you are not getting the point.
I am not saying that is not possible to change in this lifetime on the contrary i do believe that it is possible. This has nothing to do with what i am saying.
I am saying that as an atheist believe in only one life it does not make sense that we are pop up and out (born) in different situation.
If the evolutionary cycle that an atheist believe in is correct then we should be born very similar and not so different as i already explained.
The only explanation to these differences is that we lived before and in previous lives we have shaped our present situation.
In other words atheism does not make any sense at all.

[downbeatplumb]

You see, you are not getting the point.
I am not saying that is not possible to change in this lifetime on the contrary i do believe that it is possible. This has nothing to do with what i am saying.
I am saying that as an atheist believe in only one life it does not make sense that we are pop up and out (born) in different situation.
If the evolutionary cycle that an atheist believe in is correct then we should be born very similar and not so different as i already explained.
The only explanation to these differences is that we lived before and in previous lives we have shaped our present situation.
In other words atheism does not make any sense at all.

I found the bolded part ironic because I have no clue what you are on about.