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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 1:08 pm
(September 27, 2009 at 10:55 am)theVOID Wrote: You cannot say that Father = Son = Spirit is the same as Banana = Apple = Pear because it doesn't work! I didn't say it worked. No analogy does. I was trying to help you to understand.
It's correctly defined as: There is only One True God—revealed in three persons … Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
The classic metaphors are:
• Shamrock: Saint Patrick, who spread the Gospel in Ireland, used a three-leafed clover.
• Egg: Another common one—eggshell, egg white and yolk.
• H2O: The three phases of H2O—water, ice, steam—are better as an analogy but also fall short since any given temperature produces only one of these at a time. That picture leads to a false doctrine that says the Trinity is really only one person who takes on one of three modes at any given time
C.S. Lewis:
• The three dimensions of space: Length, width and height. All coincide in the same place, yet are distinct.
(September 27, 2009 at 10:55 am)theVOID Wrote: And if God is all powerful, then why would he need 3? The 3 distinct persons have unique purpose.
(September 27, 2009 at 10:12 am)Retorth Wrote: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 ≠ 1
3 persons ≠ 1 person, no. We said that already.
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 1:13 pm
(September 27, 2009 at 1:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That picture leads to a false doctrine that says the Trinity is really only one person who takes on one of three modes at any given time
Now he's got different modes? Like 'god mode'? 
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 1:19 pm
LOL  ...no that's if you misunderstand
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm by theVOID.)
I do understand what you are trying to say fr0d0, we all do, that's why we are confident in calling it fucking bat-shit crazy.
Your brains aren't quite on the floor fr0d0, they've got about as low as your knees but you've still got a chance.
(September 27, 2009 at 1:13 pm)Retorth Wrote: (September 27, 2009 at 1:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That picture leads to a false doctrine that says the Trinity is really only one person who takes on one of three modes at any given time
Now he's got different modes? Like 'god mode'?
God is hungry... has no mouth with which to eat... "I know, Jesus mode enable!"
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2009 at 1:34 pm by fr0d0.)
Ah I see... you already hit "teenager mode: enable!"
No wait... you have no other mode
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 6:27 pm
(September 27, 2009 at 2:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Of course you are wondering why God doesn't follow the natural laws of physics that applies to this world. One question... WHY???
Actually I'm wondering how you can reconcile this.
It goes even further than believing in God, if you think he could possibly disobey these laws. How do you reconcile all this?
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 7:06 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2009 at 7:06 pm by fr0d0.)
This is what has been presented as God all along. I know you are attached to the reasoning that would link God to this physical realm but the Christian understanding of God is precisely not that. I, and all Christians, have reconciled that problem from the word go. How we reconcile it follows the logic of the whole belief. We (you and I) have discussed that in great detail already. This would be to revive our whole evidence debate. We can continue there again if you want.
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I'm okay for now.
It seems to me - correct me if I'm wrong - that your primary point is that you (and Christians alike) believe that the logic follows from the belief, rather than the belief following from the logic. So it's different, and different to science, etc, in that sense.
Have I understood you correctly?
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Didn't JP say that science is about what has happened and the study of God about before what happens. ((probably viciously) paraphrased).
That sounds ok at the moment Evie. I'd have to consider it and get back to you.
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RE: 50 Simple Proofs, God is Imaginary
September 27, 2009 at 10:19 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2009 at 10:21 pm by theVOID.)
(September 27, 2009 at 1:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Ah I see... you already hit "teenager mode: enable!"
No wait... you have no other mode
You are WRONG AGAIN!
You fail spectacularly fr0d0.
(September 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Didn't JP say that science is about what has happened and the study of God about before what happens. ((probably viciously) paraphrased).
That sounds ok at the moment Evie. I'd have to consider it and get back to you.
What makes you think silly little theologians have the tools and knowledge to talk about what happened before?
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