Marxist Exploiters

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well you don't need to be a perfect human, you can be as greedy and depraved as you want, as long as you do not harm others or violate their property.

And what guarantees does AC give that some greedy, depraved person WON'T harm others or violate their property? And as benny intimated, what happens is someone does do this? Does AC have a punishment mechanism in place?

Free market capitalism is the ultimate co-operation, both parties trade and benefit from the transaction, and no violence is initiated.

Your claim that violent capitalists don't/can't exist simply beggars belief. Are you not familiar with the history of slave trading, or the current capitalistic gold mining operations in Indonesia, or any of a thousand other instances where capitalism has not only initiated violence, but positively thrives on it?

Violence/Governments are win/lose transactions, ultimately parasitical in nature. Capitalism benefits everyone peacefully.

Your first clause it true, but trite. Your second sounds good on a message board, but the real world doesn't wag that way. Try a hypothetical. I make and sell stringed instruments for a living. You come to me and request a custom guitar. We agree on the price, the specifics of the instrument, and a delivery date. I perform exactly as promised, but you decide that the guitar isn't what you wanted and refuse to pay. I'm out the cost of labour and materials, so I decide to beat you bloody until you pay up. Everything about the transaction is capitalistic in nature (including the thumping), yet violence was initiated by one of the parties.

I am very sceptical to anyone who would try to define human nature, defining human nature is like trying to define the shape of water.

Two errors here: I'm in no wise attempting to 'define human nature', I'm merely describing some of the characteristics of it. Secondly, your analogy to water is completely off - water HAS no 'shape' (except on the molecular level), but it does have characteristics on which we can all agree.

Human's by nature, are widely adaptable and constantly changing.

Agreed. But you seem to be positing a state of human nature which has never been observed other than at the level of individuals. An economy is a group dynamic, and in a large enough group to be viable the odds that someone in the group is going to upset your utopian apple cart is a certainty.

Whenever someone says humans are naturally evil, violent, and aggressive

Innit lucky for me that I never said that, then?

then I just think they are projecting their neurosis.

Ad hominem, and not worthy of a response.

And even if we say that all humans are naturally aggressive, greedy, evil, whatever then we absolutely MUST NOT have a government, since it is far too dangerous to give aggressive, evil people the legal right and monopoly to violence.

But I never said that ALL humans are that way. You clearly missed that bit where I said '...most people are mostly nice most of the time...'. But you system depends on NO human beings being violent or greedy or aggressive, etc. And that, mate, is a pipe dream, pure and simple. How do I know? Because we routinely see some people who fit those criteria - SOME people are violent without cause, SOME people are greedy without justification, and so on.

Further, your notion that all governments, without exception, are to be shunned isn't bourne out by historical fact. Are you making the claim that there have NEVER been wise or benevolent leaders of populations?

Come on.

Boru