Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain

[max-greece]

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Christians' seemingly endless supply of bumper sticker spirituality is a wonder to behold. I suppose the people who were burned at the stake or "converted" at the end of a sword took comfort knowing that belief was a menu option.

No need to play the No True Scotsman card -- I know, I know: you're not like the bad old Christians. That isn't the point. To think that Hell isn't a threat is ridiculous. "Believe as I do and you won't be tormented for eternity." Yeah, let's see, fries or onion rings today?

Of course, you haven't given me one good reason to believe in this God or hell.

I will be adding more topics.
The first 2 are to show that an atheist cannot be sure that there is no God, so he should be an angnostic and keep an open mind.

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Didn't happen because there is no God in the first place.

Problem solved.

That is a circular argument.
You used your assumption as your conclusion.

Really? Good heavens. I wonder where I got that from? Oh my God - you've infected me.

[Airyaman]

Pascal's wager is a coin flip. It fails when you play with a deck of cards, which is what we really have with the multitude of religions that exist.

[Lion IRC]

In order for atheism to be true EVERY SINGLE RELIGION needs to be 100% falsified.
In order for theism to be true there only needs to be One God.

[Airyaman]

^^ That was a wasted post, as none of us will ever know, except after death I suppose. Then it won't matter, and it won't do a thing for those still alive.

[max-greece]

In order for atheism to be true EVERY SINGLE RELIGION needs to be 100% falsified.
In order for theism to be true there only needs to be One God.

But if you picked the wrong one then you are rotting in hell next to me but slightly worse off as I got to spend Sundays as I wanted to.

In the meantime you really need to understand odds a bit better.

There are 4400 different religions and churches. Each one says they are right and everyone else is wrong.

If P(God) = 50% (really generous) then you have a one in 8,800 chance of being right.

Me? 50%.

[Lion IRC]

Actually he'll isn't a threat - it's a menu option.

...No need to play the No True Scotsman card -- I know, I know: you're not like the bad old Christians....

Christians face the same final judgement as everybody else - worse in fact because the person who claims they know and agree to the rules is held to account and judged by a stricter standard.

[Esquilax]

In order for atheism to be true EVERY SINGLE RELIGION needs to be 100% falsified.
In order for theism to be true there only needs to be One God.

Yes, but you're not just a deist, like that smug little statement would imply, are you? You're a "biblical theist," meaning you believe in the bible god, correct? That puts you on the same footing as everyone else, and frankly I'm a little bit tired of you god wads expanding the scope of the argument away from what you actually believe when it becomes convenient to do so.

As for the OP, let me see if I can't clear this up for you: here's the actual table of odds for Pascal's Wager. It's not really the fifty fifty split you'd like to think it is.

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Clear?

[max-greece]

...No need to play the No True Scotsman card -- I know, I know: you're not like the bad old Christians....

Christians face the same final judgement as everybody else - worse in fact because the person who claims they know and agree to the rules is held to account and judged by a stricter standard.

I thought Jesus paid that bill for you.

Damn but Christianity is a fucked up religion.

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Christians face the same final judgement as everybody else - worse in fact because the person who claims they know and agree to the rules is held to account and judged by a stricter standard.

I thought Jesus paid that bill for you.

Damn but Christianity is a fucked up religion.

Already saved by the only Saviour, Jesus Christ.

[Kayenneh]

Kayenneh's Wager: It's better not to believe in any particular god or religion, until proven accurate.