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JFK: The Smoking Gun
#81
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
(November 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm)I and I Wrote:
(November 21, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Why are you convinced it's not?

You made a claim stating it was a fake, what led you to this conclusion? Did facts lead you to this conclusion or did your beliefs?

A paucity of corroborating evidence to validate it coupled with multiple problems in style, content and history. It appears it has been dismissed by most JFK conspiracy buffs as a recent fake. In fact, my quick search didn't show anybody backing it.

Now, why is this forged document considered a damnable piece of reality(your word) by you?
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#82
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
So 24 hours of conspiracy crap 50 years later. UGGGGG!
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#83
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
Still waiting trol....I mean, I am still waiting on a reply I & I.
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#84
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
Just today about this crap when I called it crap a co worker said "thats just your opinion". I said NO they have set up that car to the exact same specs THE SEAT IN THE BACK WAS HIGHER!, set up a replica on the exact spot, mapped the area with a scanner to make a computer model, knew Oswald's height, positioned the models according to the film, did a lazer guide to the spot AND SHOWED that the one bullet DID injure everyone in the way it did.

Even with the riffle being bolt action, if you are fast enough you can do it in the time we know happened in REALITY.

The running man people saw was merely a running man. The sounds of "gunfire" elsewhere was merely an ECHO people heard. Ruby who shot Oswald was merely emotionally outraged.

There IS NO CONSPIRACY! The only thing that could have stopped it is if JFK had listened to security about their concerns in being in an open vehical.


OSWALD ACTED ALONE, PERIOD!
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#85
JFK: The Smoking Gun
Was oswald an anti-communist or a communist? He hung out with other intelligence operatives in Louisiana that were anti-communist radicals. Yet his front organization (pro-Castro) organization had no members and he never was known or seen hanging out with pro-communists.

Just curious as to what his political beliefs were.

Oh and, is it difficult to learn Russian as a second language? Where did he learn to speak fluent Russian?

When he was stationed in japan what was his occupation there? Reading U2 spy plane reconnaissance data?

Why was this supposed "loser loner" given special security clearance?
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#86
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
(November 22, 2013 at 6:43 pm)I and I Wrote: Was oswald an anti-communist or a communist? He hung out with other intelligence operatives in Louisiana that were anti-communist radicals. Yet his front organization (pro-Castro) organization had no members and he never was known or seen hanging out with pro-communists.

Just curious as to what his political beliefs were.

Oh and, is it difficult to learn Russian as a second language? Where did he learn to speak fluent Russian?

When he was stationed in japan what was his occupation there? Reading U2 spy plane reconnaissance data?

Why was this supposed "loser loner" given special security clearance?

Neither, he was a loner who wanted to make a name for himself anyway he could. He blamed others for his own failures in his own life. Same crap Mansion did. Mansion got rejected by a record label. One of the houses was the former address of the exec who turned him down.

What conspiracy rag are you reading? The guy who did the DC shooting earlier this year had security clearance too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

1. He had an abusive mother.

2. He had several court martialed, one for discharge for unathorized weapon, one for fighting the Sergent who blamed him, and was demoted. They still overlooked his problems because he had skills. Kinda like when the Catholic church moves accused molesters.

3. He was teased by other military and blamed a Sergent for his punishments.Just like when bullied kids come back to a school and shoot other kids. Sometimes people chalk the person's odd behavior as mere stress. Some hide their anger so well no one notices until it is too late.

4. He was denied Soviet citizenship.

5. When he went back to Dallas he lost several jobs, one for fighting.

6. Made an attempt on his real target a General, but failed.

7. Wrote bomb threats to the FBI for what he said was "harassing his wife".

The standards of mental evaluations were not as good as they could have been back then.


People fall through the cracks all the time. When he served he had no secret service clearance, he served far away from the white house and had no connection to it during his service. He did not get a section 8 or dishonorable discharge. So any background check for that event would have cleared him to be in that book depository.

And getting the job at the book depository would have been easy for anyone. The security standards were the reason it happened and JFKs insistence on the open car.

His political views were not the real reason he did what he did. He wanted to make a name for himself.

You combine his lifetime delusion that he would "do something important", then fail time after time and suffer rejection, some people snap, he snapped.

This was simply a security failure and lack of mental evaluation. Just like when Hinkley got close enough to shoot Regan.
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#87
JFK: The Smoking Gun
Oswald was stationed in japan with security clearance.... Not a comparison to the ex shooter because of what was going on at that base. Do you know what that base in japan was doing back then? It was a main base that flew U2 reconnaissance missions over Russia. Giving people security clearance to read and take part in this top secret mission at that time does not compare to the ex shooter clearance.

WHERE did he learn fluent Russian. Did he fly back from Russia on a US military plane...yes or no.

How did he get the money for these flights back and forth from Russia? Do you think it was easy to go back and forth from Russia are that time "under the radar"?
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#88
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
(November 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm)I and I Wrote: Oswald was stationed in japan with security clearance.... Not a comparison to the ex shooter because of what was going on at that base. Do you know what that base in japan was doing back then? It was a main base that flew U2 reconnaissance missions over Russia. Giving people security clearance to read and take part in this top secret mission at that time does not compare to the ex shooter clearance.

WHERE did he learn fluent Russian. Did he fly back from Russia on a US military plane...yes or no.

How did he get the money for these flights back and forth from Russia? Do you think it was easy to go back and forth from Russia are that time "under the radar"?

DUDE, get a fucking grip he never traveled to Russia while in Japan. he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary! He went there AFTER he got a hardship discharge. FROM AMERICA, NOT JAPAN.

And got rejected once there,

Quote:On October 21, the day his visa was due to expire, he was told that his citizenship application had been refused, and that he had to leave the Soviet Union that evening. Distraught, Oswald inflicted a minor but bloody wound to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub soon before his Intourist guide was due to arrive to escort him from the country, according to his diary because he wished to kill himself in a way that would shock her.[48] Delaying Oswald's departure because of his self-inflicted injury, the Soviets kept him in a Moscow hospital under psychiatric observation until October 28, 1959.[49]

HE was a mental case. Otherwise why would the Marines, the Soviets AND his non-military jobs have a problem with him?

The Navy Yard Shooter this year, the Muslim guy a few years back murdered 9 people on a military base. All of them had clearance. Hinkley simply blended in in his attempt on Regan, just like Ruby blended in to shoot Oswald. But all of them were mental cases and did what they did because sometimes people snap. Gaps in security allowed all of them.

NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY!
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#89
RE: JFK: The Smoking Gun
But...

But...

But...


Yawn.
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#90
JFK: The Smoking Gun
(November 22, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm)I and I Wrote: Oswald was stationed in japan with security clearance.... Not a comparison to the ex shooter because of what was going on at that base. Do you know what that base in japan was doing back then? It was a main base that flew U2 reconnaissance missions over Russia. Giving people security clearance to read and take part in this top secret mission at that time does not compare to the ex shooter clearance.

WHERE did he learn fluent Russian. Did he fly back from Russia on a US military plane...yes or no.

How did he get the money for these flights back and forth from Russia? Do you think it was easy to go back and forth from Russia are that time "under the radar"?

DUDE, get a fucking grip he never traveled to Russia while in Japan. he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary! He went there AFTER he got a hardship discharge. FROM AMERICA, NOT JAPAN.

And got rejected once there,

Quote:On October 21, the day his visa was due to expire, he was told that his citizenship application had been refused, and that he had to leave the Soviet Union that evening. Distraught, Oswald inflicted a minor but bloody wound to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub soon before his Intourist guide was due to arrive to escort him from the country, according to his diary because he wished to kill himself in a way that would shock her.[48] Delaying Oswald's departure because of his self-inflicted injury, the Soviets kept him in a Moscow hospital under psychiatric observation until October 28, 1959.[49]

HE was a mental case. Otherwise why would the Marines, the Soviets AND his non-military jobs have a problem with him?

The Navy Yard Shooter this year, the Muslim guy a few years back murdered 9 people on a military base. All of them had clearance. Hinkley simply blended in in his attempt on Regan, just like Ruby blended in to shoot Oswald. But all of them were mental cases and did what they did because sometimes people snap. Gaps in security allowed all of them.

NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY!

DUDE nobody said he travelled from japan to Russia. Getting clearance on a top secret activity like reading U2 spy plane images during the Cold War isn't the same as the clearances that the others had.

WHERE did he learn Russian?

Do you believe oswald was a communist or rightwing anti-communist?
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