I poise a question.

[Cyberman]

"Get too da choppah"
-- Ibid.

[max-greece]

He's God. It's not like He needs to lie to make what He wants happen.

That's what he wants you to think.

Remember - there is no spoon.

[Godscreated]

Because He has been extremely good to me, and why I have no idea other than to say somehow He loves me.

Ever Grateful To Him,

GC

But you have no evidence he exists. How do you know it isn't Zeus who loves you?

Also, you don't poise a question, you pose a question.

I gave an answer, where do you see a question in my statement. I was'nt establishing a relationship with Zeus, if he exists he would have been mad at me for not choosing him and brought destruction to me. That's his MO isn't it. Now I know you're going to say that God does the same, you would be wrong, the answer is in the Bible. You'll need to read it with an open mind from front to back to see this, I'm not going to quote the entire Bible for you, if you desire the truth you'll search it out, right.

GC

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That is nice and good GC and thanks for an honest answer I appreciate it. However, how do you know it is real and not a trick?

Thank you, I know through experience, there are things that can only be known by experience, even some of the simplest things of life. God's done so much in my life coincidence can not be an acceptable explanation.

GC

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Because He has been extremely good to me, and why I have no idea other than to say somehow He loves me.

Ever Grateful To Him,

GC

So if he suddenly stopped being good to you, you would stop believing?

Where did I say my belief was dependent on God doing good in and through my life?

GC

[TheBeardedDude]

Is all it takes to be good, a proclamation that you are good and therefore all actions after that are thereby deemed "good"?

[FiniteImmortal]

Logically, God cannot be anything but good; he can't violate his own existence.

The question you raised self-implodes on it self, because the context is invalid. Its like asking what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object.

Its like saying "God is all powerful and can do anything in existence, including not be ". God is bound by reality, just as we are. God cannot violate his own character or he would cease to be God. If God was "lying", such as us men do, then he couldn't be the standard for perfection and the absolute reference point for reality, as his infinite perfection would become finite an limited, and hence... not God.

God cannot be actually and wholly Evil. Evil cannot exist on its own, it can only exist as an aberration of good. This is actually the portrait scripture paints of Satan, who was once good but through his own freewill became corrupted and is called "the father of lies".

[Bipolar Bob]

The question you raised self-implodes on it self, because the context is invalid.

Self-implodes on it self? Isn't that a redundancy?

[Drich]

My question is simple, from my understanding that god is good and basically all good things are of god. However, the problem with this is, the one who is saying god is good is god himself. So how do you know that god is not lying?

God's creation, God's defination of good. That does not mean everyone will agree. For instance I don't think those sentenced to Hell will think He is 'good.'

[FiniteImmortal]

The question you raised self-implodes on it self, because the context is invalid.

Self-implodes on it self? Isn't that a redundancy?

Is everyone on this site a lawyer? An attempt to discredit the witness? So far I've yet to have an thoughtful counter point from anyone, just pointing out a misspelling or other slippery side-step.

Your response is redundant, as well as others I though might want to type something worth while, as well as your response being redundant.

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My question is simple, from my understanding that god is good and basically all good things are of god. However, the problem with this is, the one who is saying god is good is god himself. So how do you know that god is not lying?

God's creation, God's defination of good. That does not mean everyone will agree. For instance I don't think those sentenced to Hell will think He is 'good.'

I disagree, I think that an existence apart from god would be hell, because you can finally see he is "good", and we can finally see how selfish and petty we are in comparison.

A ship breaks against a lighthouse, not the other way around.

[Fruity]

I never lie.

^ Not a lie, because I said I don't lie.

[MindForgedManacle]

Logically, God cannot be anything but good; he can't violate his own existence.

The question is, assuming this being 'God' exists, how do you know he's God?

The question you raised self-implodes on it self, because the context is invalid. Its like asking what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object.

Strictly speaking (and ignoring the impossibility of those things given the way the world is), that "paradox" is solvable: The two things pass through each other. Thus, the Unstoppable Force isn't stopped and the Immovable Object isn't moved.

More to the point, you seemed to not have realized that no matter how you answer the question "Can God lie?" can be circumvented by a being who is omnipotent and omniscient. If the being who you call God shows up and says "I do not lie.", how do you know that's true, especially when given its capabilities it could easily fool you into thinking it doesn't.

Its like saying "God is all powerful and can do anything in existence, including not be ". God is bound by reality, just as we are. God cannot violate his own character or he would cease to be God. If God was "lying", such as us men do, then he couldn't be the standard for perfection and the absolute reference point for reality, as his infinite perfection would become finite an limited, and hence... not God.

You assume there is a being whom is the paradigm of goodness itself. That's just assuming what you're being asked to evidence.

God cannot be actually and wholly Evil. Evil cannot exist on its own, it can only exist as an aberration of good. This is actually the portrait scripture paints of Satan, who was once good but through his own freewill became corrupted and is called "the father of lies".

Not only is this an instance of you trying to shove your ethical ontology on us, but you're misunderstanding your own ontology. And this is a problem with Christian theology. Their ethical ontology is literally just a Platonism rip-off (in terms of how it's employed by apologists), they don't realize what that metaphysical view does to the rest of their metaphysics. Since under your view (which is an example of Platonist influence on Christian thought) ONLY God is good, you can't say anything else is good. They are just pale reflections of what is actually good on your view: God. So on your view, to say anything besides God is actually good is a contradiction in terms.