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November 23, 2013 at 8:51 pm
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(November 23, 2013 at 8:19 pm)Sejanus Wrote: (November 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: There is unimaginable amount of galaxies and space around them too has no boundaries. So how all those objects and space around them become existent? Who produced this reality?
By itself from nothing - don't think so.
I'm not going to go into the already established theories regarding the existence of the universe, such as the Big Bang-Big Crunch theory, or that the universe may not have had a beginning.
How do you propose we find out? by reading fairy tales about jewish zombies? or hmm... maybe... the scientific method?! So in short you are proposing that we won't find solid answer in near future for this question and so we should forget about it and just live.
But logic tells me that if there is no God - nothing adds up. If there is God, reincarnation then even chaotic world at first look is at perfect order.
Force even a blind and accidental is still a movement/action.
For example. Mother with fathers help gave life to a baby. So Who gave life to universe? Its... uhm... hmm... it was blind and accidental, I don't know who is his real father lol although some babies are made that way...
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November 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm
(November 23, 2013 at 8:51 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: So in short you are proposing that we won't find solid answer in near future for this question and so we should forget about it and just live.
But logic tells me that if there is no God - nothing adds up. If there is God, reincarnation then even chaotic world at first look is at perfect order.
Force even a blind and accidental is still a movement/action.
For example. Mother with fathers help gave life to a baby. So Who gave life to universe? Its... uhm... hmm... it was blind and accidental, I don't know who is his real father lol although some babies are made that way... No... you obviously didn't understand my post. I said the way to find the answers to these questions is not through religion, but through science.
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November 24, 2013 at 12:04 am
(November 23, 2013 at 8:27 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Accident. I can by accident for example fall on ice and injure my body. Accidents in most cases are unwanted, unintentional things I think. I would personally not refer to anything as a "cosmic accident" insomuch as I would a 'coincidence', or even 'inevitablility' (i.e. "given the laws of physics and starting conditions X, Y and Z, A will most likely happen at some point"). (November 23, 2013 at 8:27 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: So if this Force can make space and fill it with infinite amount of stars which we inhabit. I'm going to forgive the fact that this sentence is not grammatically sound (if you can improve that, it will make it easier for me to understand what you are trying to say), and address your point. I would like to first point out that there are by no means infinite stars in the universe. Secondly, what is this force of which you speak? I assume you are referring to a universe creating god (your own in particular), but if you are, this sentence is inaccurate. I do not agree with Deism, but at least it stops with god creating the universe; it does not contradict things that are already known. You seem to be claiming that god created stars, as in, directly. Look here:
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(November 23, 2013 at 8:27 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Then what this Force does intentionally is even better then this accident. Even if a first cause were proven to be necessary, that would by no means prove that said cause would be intelligent; that it could have intentions. Stars, for example, do not require a divine hand to form. Nor do planets. How the universe came to be where it is today is understood at least on a basic level; no god is required for any part of it. Only the origin of life and the beginning of the universe remain commonly used gaps for God of the gaps (and, perhaps, the origin of physical laws). I see no reason to believe that any hypothetical prime mover would have to do anything for the universe other than spontaneously combust (i.e. the big bang).
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November 24, 2013 at 12:23 am
(November 23, 2013 at 8:27 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Accident. I can by accident for example fall on ice and injure my body.
And in so doing, you will have run head to head (or arse to ground) into the totally unaccidental and completely nonrandom force that is gravity. You might want to pay special attention to that, because it's a big player in the story of the Universe.
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November 24, 2013 at 4:11 am
(November 23, 2013 at 8:51 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: But logic tells me that if there is no God - nothing adds up. If there is God, reincarnation then even chaotic world at first look is at perfect order.
Can you produce a single other question for which the answer "it's magic!" is logical?
God explains everything by explaining nothing: you still don't know how anything works or why, you've just injected a mystery space wizard who just... wanted it that way. You aren't any closer to the truth for your panacea nothing of an answer.
What's wrong with just admitting we don't know yet?
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November 24, 2013 at 7:57 am
To Darkstar
Programmer to make virtual scene in which cloud forms a planet after some time needs few things.
Create virtual space grand it attributes. Create cloud and grand it attributes too. Then he inputs laws on why clouds should form planets.
God does the same thing only he is the original programmer.
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November 24, 2013 at 8:44 am
(November 24, 2013 at 7:57 am)purplepurpose Wrote: To Darkstar
Programmer to make virtual scene in which cloud forms a planet after some time needs few things.
Create virtual space grand it attributes. Create cloud and grand it attributes too. Then he inputs laws on why clouds should form planets.
God does the same thing only he is the original programmer.
This is another way of saying "I don't understand therefore god".
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November 24, 2013 at 9:58 am
(November 24, 2013 at 7:57 am)purplepurpose Wrote: To Darkstar
Programmer to make virtual scene in which cloud forms a planet after some time needs few things.
Create virtual space grand it attributes. Create cloud and grand it attributes too. Then he inputs laws on why clouds should form planets.
God does the same thing only he is the original programmer.
Argument from ignorance. What else you got?
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November 24, 2013 at 10:26 am
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"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the positionofa little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books.It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books,but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God." Abert Einstein
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November 24, 2013 at 10:41 am
(November 24, 2013 at 10:26 am)purplepurpose Wrote: "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the positionofa little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books.It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books,but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God." Abert Einstein
Not evidence, just a sort of appeal to authority where you've no doubt cherry picked an Einstein quote that sort of supports your baseless assertion.
What else you got?
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