Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!

[Bad Writer]

More on Dr. Sircus; his favorite affiliate is the Abril Uno news website.

[Jackalope]

Let me relate to you something along the lines of your experience.

In October of 2011, I was hospitalized with bilateral pulmonary embolism and over the course of several days, was given intravenous Heparin and underwent a surgical procedure. Immediately after that, I experienced the onset of a neurological condition that has left me partially permanently disabled.

Despite the correlation of the two events and the treatment - one did not cause the other, nor did the treatment. I pursued the possible connection for nearly a year to no avail.

Your belief has no apparent demonstrable basis in reality.

[psychoslice]

Hi Bad Writer , see the thing is whatever I show you you will criticise, where I can see both sides of the coin, there have been many doctors who believe the vac. has caused certain symptoms, this to me is a reason to truly investigate vac. much more than they already have. But you believe out right that there is totally nothing wrong with them, and that is plain bullshit, just about all medications have some form of danger, and that goes for vac. also, can you even agree with that ?.

[Rahul]

That's fine, psychoslice. Truly it is. We would just like to be provided with evidence, articles, links to studies, etc.

[psychoslice]

That's fine, psychoslice. Truly it is. We would just like to be provided with evidence, articles, links to studies, etc.

I have already given you some articles, but whatever I show is quickly degraded, I'm sorry but I cannot understand the arrogance of thinking you know it all, this I haven't done, I'm just sitting on the fence right now, and not pretending I know it all.

[Bad Writer]

Hi Bad Writer , see the thing is whatever I show you you will criticise...

Listen to yourself. You sound absurd. I've told you on multiple occasions over the past few days that if you show some form of evidence that is demonstrable, then it will be evaluated and considered. You know, like, something along the lines of an article from a peer-reviewed medical science journal, or the results of a double-blind study or long-term testing on the hypothesis.

Instead, you have seen fit to fling pure dung in our direction. You pile the testimonials on pretty thick, all of which are about as trustworthy as the stories of a UFO abductee. You've linked articles to us from anti-vaxer websites whose data never depends on fact, but on pure speculation, and the latest you've given us is an article from a satirical news site. SATIRICAL. The person who writes and publishes and pushes out those articles does not believe what he is saying. He is actually on the side of pro-vaccination. He is on the side of science. He is not looking to mislead people, but instead to give intelligent individuals a good laugh at the expense of the people who really believe in such conspiracy theories.

So, psychoslice, while it's true that I have thus far criticized everything that you've linked, it doesn't stand to reason that I will continue to criticize your evidence. Present something of worth, and then we will talk about this. Though please watch out for hoax websites and agenda-driven bloggers while you do so.

...where I can see both sides of the coin...

There is no "both sides of the coin" when it comes to what is true and factual. There is only one side. Your analogy does not work here.

...there have been many doctors who believe the vac. has caused certain symptoms...

Let's just say you're right about this, that there are actually reputable doctors who believe that vaccines caused the symptoms that you're talking about. Have they published any peer-reviewed articles on this topic? What kinds of tests have the done? Can you even name a doctor that promotes this idea? Even one?

...this to me is a reason to truly investigate vac. much more than they already have.

Get cracking then. It's your burden of proof, since it's your claim that there is a problem with vaccines.

But you believe out right that there is totally nothing wrong with them...

No. Please don't misappropriate belief qualifiers that do not pertain to me. I believe what I believe because of evidence. What have you got?

...and that is plain bullshit...

Prove it.

...just about all medications have some form of danger, and that goes for vac. also, can you even agree with that ?.

No, because your equivocation here is false. Vaccines are not medications. We have already explained this to you.

[psychoslice]

Hi Bad Writer, I se what you are saying and I'll take that into consideration, but as I said I just feel that there is something wrong with at least certain vac., articles in the medical journal are not always right, surely you don't think every article is 100% true, after all they are always finding new things out that out date the present beliefs, that goes without say.

But anyway, I don't want to go on and on about this, after all I am not a medical science, and I guess your not either, so like I keep say over and over, lets see what happens, but right now do what you feel is right for you.

[Bad Writer]

...articles in the medical journal are not always right, surely you don't think every article is 100% true, after all they are always finding new things out that out date the present beliefs, that goes without say.

I see your problem. You are making your decision based on a complete misunderstanding of science. Just because medical journals publish works that supersede old theories and practices, does not mean that those old studies were wrong. Science works with the available evidence, and if new evidence arises, theories will be take new form, but never at the expense of outdated information. Our knowledge only grows, but is never replaced. I'm not a scientist nor am I a medical doctor, no, but even a young mind can learn to comprehend this fact.

Science doesn't deal in absolutes. It is never a complete knowledge; it works with demonstrated evidence and facts. So far, the evidence does not support the theory that any vaccination is harmful. That is what we are going on; that is why we reject your claims.

[psychoslice]

...articles in the medical journal are not always right, surely you don't think every article is 100% true, after all they are always finding new things out that out date the present beliefs, that goes without say.

I see your problem. You are making your decision based on a complete misunderstanding of science. Just because medical journals publish works that supersede old theories and practices, does not mean that those old studies were wrong. Science works with the available evidence, and if new evidence arises, theories will be take new form, but never at the expense of outdated information. Our knowledge only grows, but is never replaced. I'm not a scientist nor am I a medical doctor, no, but even a young mind can learn to comprehend this fact.

Science doesn't deal in absolutes. It is never a complete knowledge; it works with demonstrated evidence and facts. So far, the evidence does not support the theory that any vaccination is harmful. That is what we are going on; that is why we reject your claims.

It really doesn't matter if you or I am a doctor, that mean very little, most doctors probably don't even know a lot about vac., most just do their job the way they suppose to do it, I have friends who a are medical doctors and they feel the same way, so again it doesn't matter if we are doctors.

[Bad Writer]

It really doesn't matter if you or I am a doctor, that mean very little, most doctors probably don't even know a lot about vac., most just do their job the way they suppose to do it, I have friends who a are medical doctors and they feel the same way, so again it doesn't matter if we are doctors.

Then why the hell did you bring it up? If you spent as much time figuring your shit out as you did backpedaling on these issues, then perhaps there would be no issues to speak of! Give me a fucking break...