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Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
(August 7, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:
(August 7, 2014 at 5:39 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Now your being silly, just admit that you are wrong, or at least investigate more instead of just believing what the very ones who make this crap say.

How the fuck do you expect us to admit that we're wrong when your dishonest ass is sitting there misrepresenting what most of us are saying about vaccines? We won't play to your strawman arguments, asshole.

By the same token, why are you unable to admit that you have zero evidence? You're being the biggest prick on this thread by dismissing everything we say simply because you refuse to accept reality. It's like a fundamentalist Christian that believes in a 6000 year-old universe and can't accept that there is some annual ice layered more than 9000 times over.

The evidence is staring you in the face, and you close your eyes to it. How much more close-minded could a person possibly be?

Haven't you seen those two documentaries I shared, these people are not stupid, they know more than you and I put together, stop trying to be an expert and get your head out of your ass.
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RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
Care to summarize the strongest evidence presented in either?
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RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
I have seen several documentaries about the Georgia Guidestones and Chemtrails....
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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I saw one about a revolutionary penis enlargement therapy just last night. Someone had surreptitiously sent it to me via gmail(the link appears to be dead). I've been wondering how they knew I had a tiny tally-whacker to begin with.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
(August 7, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Care to summarize the strongest evidence presented in either?

Na, I think they had all that you need to know, you probably didn't even watch it all, your mind was already made up.
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RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
I watched it. I found it to be incredibly boring. Fell asleep a few times, but I didn't miss anything.
Did you have and facts or evidence? Or has this become a thread for posting lame YouTube videos?
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
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(December 1, 2013 at 7:14 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Ugh.

Ok, so, hi, I'm back for now, largely because I just needed to talk about how mind numbingly stupid people can get with their pseudoscience and conspiracy theories. Specifically, I'm on a skeptic group on facebook and we have some good discussions, but once in a while, we get a nut with some kinda extreme beliefs.

Let me start by saying I'm glad I don't live near this person. He lives in Canada, so, if anyone's up there, you might watch out. I did a little research on herd immunity and, yes, people like him put the people around him at risk. But I've been taking all kinds of classes in biology, so I've really gotten to learn about this stuff and because of that, the bullshit-o-meter really goes off when I hear the stupids.

So, his claims were as follows.

1) Diseases we eliminated with vaccines were on their way out anyway
Really? Small Pox wasn't on its way out. Polio wasn't on its way out. Yellow Fever wasn't on its way out. Chicken Pox will probably be the next one eliminated and it's not on it's way out. Many of these diseases were killing people before we dealt with them. What's worse, diseases we didn't have to worry about at all 20 years ago, they're starting to make comebacks because of anti-vaccine nut like this. So we might not have to worry about them, but our children and grandchildren might not be so lucky.

2) Vaccines are an attempt by big pharmacutical companies to get money from us; specifically, they get us to pay them for the vaccines, the vaccines make us sicker which results in them making money by curing whatever sickness we get then.
Also flawed. While I don't doubt for a second that pharmicutical companies (or any company, for that matter) will take less than ethical measures to get extra money, I don't think the scientific community is going to let them get away with selling us poisons like that. If they actually were that unhealthy, it would only be a matter of time before they get called on it and their sales completely dry up while they have to pay off a lot of lawsuits. No, that would be a terrible way of making money.

3) Vaccines are weakening our immune system becase it doesn't actualy get a chance to fight diseases.
This is the kind of garbage that shows me this person doesn't have even a rudimentary understanding of how the immune system works. Specifically, it's not like a muscle; you don't have to work it out to keep it working.

4) Vaccines have toxins and heavy metals in them which make them dangerous
This one is actually partially true, but, again, a descent understanding of biology eases things up. Yes, there is a small amount of toxins in there, usually mercury. It's put in there to trigger an immune response, which brings in more memory cells and the memory cells are the ones that create immunity. The vaccine could still work without those, but we'd have to use larger doses. However, the other crazy part is this: they use incredibly small amounts of mercury in vaccines. Specifically, they use so little that you'd be more likely to get mercury poisoning from a tin of tuna than you would in a vaccine.

5) Vaccines use inactivated viruses that aren't always inactivated
Not really. All we need from the viru or bacteria is an idea of what their surface proteins are like and we use those in the vaccine. The memory cells learn to fight off the infection based on those protein markers.

He also linked me to some sites that promote his line of thinking. I'll post a couple of them here.

http://www.healthyaeon.com/2013/11/heavy...pu998RDssR
http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.ca/2013...crets.html

So, I wanted to see if they understood what they're talking about. Specifically, I just did a brief search for the phrase "lymphocyte." I figure, if they're talking about the immune system, they'd kinda have to say something about that, right?

Nope. That word was not used once in either article. Look for yourself. I did a slower search to see if parts of the phrase would be in there anywhere and the most I was able to get is that one of them talked about "lymph tissue" which, actually, just makes it sound worse (in that the phrase "lymph tissue" is, at best, ambigious).

Ugh. Why do people fall for garbage like this? Why do they critique, so harshly, well documnted scientific findings that conflicts with them but they so readily accept some crackpot blog post that could have been written by any nut?

Kudos'd and shared a billion times over!
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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Dude. No. Come. On. -_-
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
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RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
(August 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm)psychoslice Wrote:
(August 7, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Care to summarize the strongest evidence presented in either?

Na, I think they had all that you need to know, you probably didn't even watch it all, your mind was already made up.

Way to assume positive intent, fucker. Whether or not any of us saw them, your responses move me to tell you to shove both your shitty videos up your ass.

I saw a documentary once about Obama's 2016; I can say those predictions aren't looking all that likely from a 2014 perspective. I also saw numerous 9/11 truther documentaries, all of which presented very compelling observations; an A for effort on their part, but an F for how far from the truth they really were.

And as for your videos? Shameful mockeries of science and medicine. Those "doctors" tarnish their respectable degrees. If this is the best you can do, then anyone here is very justified to call you a moron.
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RE: Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!
(August 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Na, I think they had all that you need to know, you probably didn't even watch it all, your mind was already made up.
Whew, now that's a hefty claim...all I needed to know? Really? Care to summarize?

What is my mind made up about - care to summarize that either?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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