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Unfortunately the atheist will have to stand up and go
RE: Unfortunately the atheist will have to stand up and go
I am so tired of this shit.
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RE: Unfortunately the atheist will have to stand up and go
(December 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
(December 9, 2013 at 12:12 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: Two negatives are multiplied. Our sin against the suffering of the cross of Christ. Who pays the debt of the debtor? It can only be a gift. Why?

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First off, what's a god?

Acts 17 (Start Here)

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
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RE: Unfortunately the atheist will have to stand up and go
(December 9, 2013 at 2:45 pm)StrongWaters Wrote:
(December 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: First off, what's a god?

Acts 17 (Start Here)

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’

That doesn't tell me anything. It just describes something with absolutely nothing to back it up. Hell, I could say that I fit all those attributes and you wouldn't be able to disprove it. How does the reference know that that god is a 'he'? Why would a god like that even need a gender?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

According to your obscure biblical reference that version of a god doesn't even have a hammer. Why not?
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RE: Unfortunately the atheist will have to stand up and go
(December 8, 2013 at 1:51 pm)DOS Wrote: Dostoesvky has put it much simpler
In my freevolous translation it sounds about this - suffering is the only cause of conciousness.



In the little that I've read, Dostoevsky seems quite conflicted with any religious description of God. His quotes from this specific book paint a very clear picture of why the Christian God in particular is not anything he would be willing to support:

“… if the sufferings of children go to make up the sum of sufferings which is necessary for the purchase of truth, then I say beforehand that the entire truth is not worth such a price.”

The particular excerpt used in the OP appears to mock the idea of hell. (At least to me) Drawing attention to how our human perception of existence creates the illusion of an eternity in hell as a fate worthy of fearing. Ultimately, the time spent or time required to be spent will pass, and it will have been an arbitrary sentence (as described in the excerpt).

In this book, Dostoevsky comes across to me as more of a Buddhist. He delivers some pretty crippling blows to the Christians that claim to have moral exclusivity granted to them from their personal brand of God.

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