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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:09 am
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(January 7, 2014 at 7:30 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I am to understand that 10-15 weeks is the limit. IF a female is unable to determine whether or not she wishes to go to term with a pregnancy within that time period then the only other option for a late term pregnancy termination is due to deformity or the death of the foetus. surely this is sensible? Incorrect, read the link.
That may be how the law is "intended to work", but it isn't how it works in reality.
(January 7, 2014 at 7:36 am)Esquilax Wrote: I don't think either should be able to. At that point, just adopt the kid out or something. Again though, I have to stress how uncomfortable it makes me to blunder into shit I don't really know how to experience as though my opinions matter.  Actually, what is "meant" to be done is what would be done for any premature birth - the baby should be placed in an incubator. But, again, this is rarely what happens.
FYI, men are people too:
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:17 am
Have you ACTUALLY read your links Danny?
They do nothing to bolster your argument of points.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:18 am
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(January 7, 2014 at 7:54 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Where is the evidence for this? And by "aborted alive" are you referring to premature babies Danny? Or are you referring to those babies that are forced to an early termination of pregnancy because they are deformed beyond help and as such are left with their parents to say goodbye because they would not survive whether full term or pre-mature? Here ya go, watch this short documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3WHP7Q5dp8
Better than the original editorial I read (although I'm happy to find it for you if you want?)
(edit) Editorial is here:
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:32 am
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Wonderful! So you link propaganda from Knights of the Southern Cross (a catholic organisation) to bolster your argument?
Do you have children Danny? Been in a relationship where your significant other was pregnant? Got your Gynaecology / Obstetrics doctorate?
If no then I really can only say that if you don't like abortion then don't have one...wait a bit...you ARE male, luckily for you you won't have to face that terrible decision.
And when you mean "living" are you referring to breathing only or was the foetus hooked up to an EEG machine?
The religious preoccupation with foetuses is worthy of ridicule since the majority of them bleat and complain about having to FEED, Medicate and support till death the result of babies that should die.
And you believe EVERYTHING The Age prints? Especially from a fucking priest?
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:41 am
Which fact presented in either did you disagree with?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:43 am
No Danny boy, until you have children or finish your doctorate in Gynaecology / Obstetrics I don't think you have anything that smacks of an authority on the topic.
Yes men are people too, most of them are arseholes who will dump the woman when they find that she is pregnant (or any other superfluous reason they find convenient- usually religious) Nah mate. Whilst I deplore the use of abortions as a form of contraception, I think that the 71,000 annually is not too bad. Considering that at least three I am aware of are within my own family and I am privy to the reasons surrounding the decision to terminate the pregnancy; none of them happy nor easy.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:45 am
Tell you what I'll read the act and get back to you.
You can read it to:
The Act:
Wikipedia:
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:45 am
(January 7, 2014 at 8:41 am)Aractus Wrote: Which fact presented in either did you disagree with?
That's just the point Danny. They lack facts; are just hearsay and the opinion of religious clergy and minions. I wonder why you waste your time.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:46 am
But to be clear, what fact/s in the documentary/editorial do you dispute?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 8:46 am
This is my final word and only on the subject. I'll do whatever the fuck I want it's my body. If I do or do not want a baby I'll do that. If I wanted piercings or tattoos or to point my ears that'll happen. Nobody can try to tell me what I can do with my body. And if they do I'll go all Toph Bei Fong on their ass.
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