Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

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I have a question la ban, how do you justify lions killing gazelle, or a cat that tortures a mouse?

Firstly cats need meat and there is no way that they can live without it (unlike humans) hunting is instinctive to them so killing a gazelle is something they will do when hungry (my dogs also will kill a sheep or cow if left to their own devices and I stop this) the cat will practise catching a mouse and letting it go. It has no conception that the mouse is a feeling creature like itself to the cat it is just a food source/source of amusement.

We neither need to eat meat and we are capable of empathy. We have pretty much evolved to think killing each other is bad (well those who are morally more developed do) which is a new thing in the world when up to VERY VERY recently we though slavery and killing each other at will was quite acceptable. Indeed some humans were killing and eating each other last century,

[Chas]

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You literally have no clue on what you talk about.

Idiot.
A lemon is acidic but when you mix his juices with salt which is also acidic you get an alkaline solution so at the end is not what you got in the first place but what you get after a certain item come into contact with your digestive system.
A human body is alkaline by nature so when it come into contact with acidic items like meat will suffer and will create so many diseases.
https://www.relfe.com/health_natural/pH_...vel_3.html

You have so much misunderstanding of reality it boggles the mind.

Salts are neither acidic nor alkaline, and mixing a salt with an acid does not result in an alkaline solution. Some salts will produce an acidic or basic solution when added to water.

Your understanding of chemistry is as abysmal as your understanding of biology.

You clearly exhibit the attributes of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

[bennyboy]

That is not evidence - it is anecdotes. This is science.

According to pure vegetarian ideologists, people consuming vegetarian diet have better health and live longer than nonvegetarians, because persons consuming milk, dairy products, meat, eggs and fish are at health risk. In fact the most healthy people in Europe are inhabitants of Iceland, Switzerland and Scandinavia, consuming great amounts of food of animal origin. Meta-analysis of several prospective studies showed no significant differences in the mortality caused by colorectal, stomach, lung, prostate or breast cancers and stroke between vegetarians and "health-conscious" nonvegetarians.

What specific foods are they talking about? I believe these are big yogurt-eating countries. It would be nice to see a detailed breakdown of the diets of those countries. Anyway kudos on bringing actual fact-seeking back to the thread.

[Angrboda]

We have pretty much evolved to think killing each other is bad (well those who are morally more developed do)

[KichigaiNeko]

That is not evidence - it is anecdotes. This is science.

What specific foods are they talking about? I believe these are big yogurt-eating countries. It would be nice to see a detailed breakdown of the diets of those countries. Anyway kudos on bringing actual fact-seeking back to the thread.

Unlike someone whose whole food supply is from somewhere else and wouldn't know one plant from another?

brilliant

[bennyboy]

What specific foods are they talking about? I believe these are big yogurt-eating countries. It would be nice to see a detailed breakdown of the diets of those countries. Anyway kudos on bringing actual fact-seeking back to the thread.

Unlike someone whose whole food supply is from somewhere else and wouldn't know one plant from another?

brilliant

The cited article talks about "non-animal" vs "animal" foods, and the latter can still be vegetarian if it's primarily dairy. So I'm asking for more information.

I don't know what made you so snarky, but please knock it off. At this point, you are becoming so pointlessly insulting that I might have to put you on ignore. It's too bad-- I thought we were making some good progress for a few days, there.

[Little Rik]

If you want to eat meat, eat meat. If you don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat. Don't eat meat if you don't want to, and don't deny yourself meat if you do want it.
Why is this so fucking difficult for some people? I've been a vegetarian for over 22 years now, and I don't get this stick some veggies have up their arse about what other people eat. Is it because you really really want to eat meat and the only way you can justify depriving yourself of what you want is to pretend that eating meat is some nasty evil thing that nobody should ever do, ever?

I have seen so many bankrupt posts but this one is such a pearl of stupidity that must deserve the first price.
Put in this way.
A meat eater get stuck in a deserted island then he die with some cardiovascular diseases.
That's ok with me.
He may even be excused as on that island there may be that there was nothing else to eat.
The problem however arise when same idiot who live in our society want to eat meat despite the fact that we can live much better without.
Now is not that these guys are happy with eating wild or game meat that even cause problems like erosion like here in Australia (camels, wild horses, donkey, pigs, kangaroos, rabbits, hares, goats......) but they want manly beef.
In order to have so many cattle it is needed a lot of grains and soya and in order to get so much feed we have to cut so many forests which change the climate for the worse.
Even if these animals would graze on the land we still need to cut the forests so either way the forests are gone.
Then we need more water which is more and more scarce as the forests that attract the rain are gone.
Then we have more pollution as the dung pollute the air.
Then we have more diseases due to eating food not compatible with a human body and these diseases are a burden for the society as the taxpayers have to put up with the bill.
So why you say that it is not my business whether someone eat meat or not?
Why should i pay more and more taxes and why should i have more pollution in the air why should i have less clean water and less of it and why should i have more desert in one place and more flooding in an other place?
I don't fart in people face so i do expect that meat eaters don't cause problem to me.
Is this too much to ask?

[Bad Wolf]

Oh fantastic! The halfwit is back!

[bennyboy]

Then we have more diseases due to eating food not compatible with a human body and these diseases are a burden for the society as the taxpayers have to put up with the bill.
So why you say that it is not my business whether someone eat meat or not?
Why should i pay more and more taxes and why should i have more pollution in the air why should i have less clean water and less of it and why should i have more desert in one place and more flooding in an other place?
I don't fart in people face so i do expect that meat eaters don't cause problem to me.
Is this too much to ask?

I'm guessing you aren't paying a huge amount of taxes. My estimate is about zero. Ask me why I think that.

[Little Rik]

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Idiot.
A lemon is acidic but when you mix his juices with salt which is also acidic you get an alkaline solution so at the end is not what you got in the first place but what you get after a certain item come into contact with your digestive system.
A human body is alkaline by nature so when it come into contact with acidic items like meat will suffer and will create so many diseases.
https://www.relfe.com/health_natural/pH_...vel_3.html

You have so much misunderstanding of reality it boggles the mind.
Salts are neither acidic nor alkaline, and mixing a salt with an acid does not result in an alkaline solution. Some salts will produce an acidic or basic solution when added to water.
Your understanding of chemistry is as abysmal as your understanding of biology. You clearly exhibit the attributes of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

You see Chas the problem with people like you is that you may study for years and years at the uni but in practical situations you know absolutely nothing.
In yoga after a day of fasting it is well known that by mixing salt with lemon juice and water you get the best result as far as cleaning the stomach from impurities and feeling so much better.
Now if you take only salt or only lemon with water the effect is totally different so it is by experience that you can better understand what is good or bad for you.
Your years of studying can not give the same good results.

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I'm guessing you aren't paying a huge amount of taxes. My estimate is about zero. Ask me why I think that.

Yes i do ask you.
In the mean time i get the tax return ready so in case you want to pop up here in Brisbane i can show you them.

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I eat vegetarians .. am I a vegetarian??

Gee, you know that you make me think very very hard for the last few hours.
Carnivorous animals eat vegetarian animals but they never become vegetarians.
On the other hand a cannibal eat somebody mainly in order to acquire the quality of that person so if that person is a vegetarian may be that the cannibal become a vegetarian.
It is all so difficult to understand.
Maybe some brainy person like bad wolf can help me to understand this issue.

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That is not evidence - it is anecdotes. This is science.

According to pure vegetarian ideologists, people consuming vegetarian diet have better health and live longer than nonvegetarians, because persons consuming milk, dairy products, meat, eggs and fish are at health risk. In fact the most healthy people in Europe are inhabitants of Iceland, Switzerland and Scandinavia, consuming great amounts of food of animal origin. Meta-analysis of several prospective studies showed no significant differences in the mortality caused by colorectal, stomach, lung, prostate or breast cancers and stroke between vegetarians and "health-conscious" nonvegetarians.

Opshhh, your science is missing a very important factor therefore we can say that it is the usual bankrupt science.
Now your science has not consider the fact that living in a cold country the body is able in part to use the saturated fat to fight the cold while if you live in a temperate or even worse hot place then the body DOES NOT need to fight the cold by using the fats therefore it is obvious that in the cold countries meat cause less problem however still cause some problem as we can see with the low life span of Inuits when until 40-50 years ago their diet was mainly non veg.